AoC Apocalypse coming back?

Is there any info on when APOC will come back?

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voidshadow wrote: »

Jahlon wrote: »

It will come back for Castle Siege and Horde Mode after Alpha 1.

If they need to do more Action Combat testing, the Battle Royale may appear again as well.

I was so excited for alpha i completely forgot about castle siege and horde mode. Weren't those supposed to happen before alpha? Did i miss an announcement or something?

Yes those were. However, the pressure to deliver the Alpha 1 was getting too high and if IS would been continue focus on BR and parts thereof it would delay the MMORPG A1 test phase further, perhaps till next year. Therefore, that would been lead to avalanche of negative feedback and decrease of the reputation even more. So this change was more than welcome.

Atama

noaani wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

voidshadow wrote: »

Jahlon wrote: »

It will come back for Castle Siege and Horde Mode after Alpha 1.

If they need to do more Action Combat testing, the Battle Royale may appear again as well.

I was so excited for alpha i completely forgot about castle siege and horde mode. Weren't those supposed to happen before alpha? Did i miss an announcement or something?

"Development is fluid." - Abraham Lincoln

Somehow, perhaps just because of who posted it, I believe this quote to be accurate.

I’m waiting for USE to post the Discord snapshot where Lincoln make that quote.

unknownsystemerror

Lincoln didn't use Discord. He was a TeamSpeak user.

Damokles

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Lincoln didn't use Discord. He was a TeamSpeak user.

He didnt use TeamSpeak. He used MSN Windows Live Messenger!

Atama

Four score and seven months ago our developers brought forth, upon Kickstarter, a new project, conceived in imagination, and dedicated to the proposition that "not all MMOs are created equal".

Now we are engaged in a great discussion, testing whether that project, or any project so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great message board of that game. We have come to dedicate a portion of it, as a final resting place for those MMOs who died here, that Ashes might live. This we may, in all propriety do. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow, this phase of testing-- The brave projects, living and dead, who struggled here, have hallowed it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here; while it can never forget what they did here.

Nagash

Damokles wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Lincoln didn't use Discord. He was a TeamSpeak user.

He didnt use TeamSpeak. He used MSN Windows Live Messenger!

did he also use bebo ?

Ferryman

Nagash wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Lincoln didn't use Discord. He was a TeamSpeak user.

He didnt use TeamSpeak. He used MSN Windows Live Messenger!

did he also use bebo ?

Yes, if that was the name of his carrier pigeon.

Sarevok

I did not like it. Sure, it was a way to test the servers, the connection and to get feedback on the combat but that all could have been done with pre-alpha or alpha phase while not allocating resources away from the main reason we are all here. I only saw Apoc as an appetizer for backers and to give viewers a small taste (that kinda backfired) of what is to come. Let's not also forget to generate a little income from the cash shop.

Let Apoc die. Put Castle Siege in Alpha 1 or 2. Then host Siege Weekends for either everyone or those that bought lesser packages. You're still going to test your backend, your siege mode, your combat and the main game while not misallocating resources. All your backers then get a chance to test the game and encourages others to buy a package or upgrade their current one (if that's a thing).

Undead Canuck

Nagash wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Lincoln didn't use Discord. He was a TeamSpeak user.

He didnt use TeamSpeak. He used MSN Windows Live Messenger!

did he also use bebo ?

I thought it was ICQ.

Ferryman

Sarevok wrote: »

Sure, it was a way to test the servers, the connection and to get feedback on the combat but that all could have been done with pre-alpha or alpha phase while not allocating resources away from the main reason we are all here.

This is the main point! All the testing could been done with less resources and faster schedule without the need to implement another game to test out mechanics of MMORPG. However, parts of the Apoc project can be used with the development of AoC but not everything is needed.

Ferryman

I presume that at start the idea was develope only a MMORPG game but at some point of development IS made a change to their design and development strategy. As we know a development of MMORPG is taking several years (in general) and I guess IS studios wanted to implement another game in middle of the main project to fund their operations. a BR game concept offered here a good opportunity because implementation is relatively easy (at least when compared to MMO development), parts thereof can be used for the MMORPG and BR games are a popular genre at the moment. So why not?

I guess this kind of strategy helps the IS in long run and they get more incomes during the development process from the another game. However, the downside is that the schedule will stretch and the release of the main project is pushed further. This kind of behaviour also caused a different kind of welcome reactions with the community, followers, gaming industry and especially with backers and funders. I hope the risk management was taken account when this development change was accepted and the evaluation of the impact was done properly. We do not have the data to analyze how smart move this was from IS behalf. Their reputation got a dimple for sure but how much damage this really caused is hard to predict, perhaps time will tell.

I have personally pondered, was the Apoc really needed at first place? Did IS really need the incomes to fund the main project? If the answer is yes then I would understand better this solution even it would still disapoint me at least a little bit. Now when the reason of Apoc existance is explained as a pure testing ground, it makes me actually quite irritated. This argument is absurd and just belittles people's intelligence.

Atama

Yes we’ve had this discussion before. APOC is a dumb excuse for a cash grab, banking on the Fortnite fad with the thin explanation that it’s for testing. It’s like a teenager saying that they had to take the car out to a dirt lot to do doughnuts to practice for a driving test.

Ferryman

Oh well this seams to be a some kind of trend to jump on a side project during the MMO development, and I am now referring here to City State Games who decided after about 6 years of development of Camelot Unchained deliver "a PvE BR tower defending game" called Ragnarok - Colossal.

Furthermore, if we think of the Chronicles of Elyria Scam and those never ending developments like Crowfall and Star Citizen, these examples makes me question the whole MMORPG development genre, especially all crowdfunding and kickstarting companies. Is it too much to ask that companies do what they have actually promised?

Damokles

ferryman wrote: »

Oh well this seams to be a some kind of trend to jump on a side project during the MMO development, and I am now referring here to City State Games who decided after about 6 years of development of Camelot Unchained deliver "a PvE BR tower defending game" called Ragnarok - Colossal.

Furthermore, if we think of the Chronicles of Elyria Scam and those never ending developments like Crowfall and Star Citizen, these examples makes me question the whole MMORPG development genre, especially all crowdfunding and kickstarting companies. Is it too much to ask that companies do what they have actually promised?

The thing about Ragnarok is, that the developers actually got paid by investors to make that thing. No excuse though to take resources away from CU.

Undead Canuck

And how many of those games were fully funded before development? By a person who wants an MMORPG enough to start a company to create it?
Did anyone actually read the notes from @Steven Sharif saying that they need to test certain systems and so used a quick format arena?

And, yes, Apocalypse is coming back. With Castle Siege.

Ferryman

Undead Canuck wrote: »

And how many of those games were fully funded before development? By a person who wants an MMORPG enough to start a company to create it?

None and your point is?

mcstackerson

ferryman wrote: »

Oh well this seams to be a some kind of trend to jump on a side project during the MMO development, and I am now referring here to City State Games who decided after about 6 years of development of Camelot Unchained deliver "a PvE BR tower defending game" called Ragnarok - Colossal.

Furthermore, if we think of the Chronicles of Elyria Scam and those never ending developments like Crowfall and Star Citizen, these examples makes me question the whole MMORPG development genre, especially all crowdfunding and kickstarting companies. Is it too much to ask that companies do what they have actually promised?

If you look at all those games you mentioned, wouldn't you get a clue that there might something going on with MMO development. I'd understand the criticism if it was the norm for MMOs to be cranked out by indies or even large companies but it isn't.

Since it's not the norm, isn't it reasonable to assume there are some challenges that make it so it's not as easy?

Atama wrote: »

Yes we’ve had this discussion before. APOC is a dumb excuse for a cash grab, banking on the Fortnite fad with the thin explanation that it’s for testing. It’s like a teenager saying that they had to take the car out to a dirt lot to do doughnuts to practice for a driving test.

Is the earth also flat?

Ferryman

mcstackerson wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

Oh well this seams to be a some kind of trend to jump on a side project during the MMO development, and I am now referring here to City State Games who decided after about 6 years of development of Camelot Unchained deliver "a PvE BR tower defending game" called Ragnarok - Colossal.

Furthermore, if we think of the Chronicles of Elyria Scam and those never ending developments like Crowfall and Star Citizen, these examples makes me question the whole MMORPG development genre, especially all crowdfunding and kickstarting companies. Is it too much to ask that companies do what they have actually promised?

If you look at all those games you mentioned, wouldn't you get a clue that there might something going on with MMO development. I'd understand the criticism if it was the norm for MMOs to be cranked out by indies or even large companies but it isn't.

Since it's not the norm, isn't it reasonable to assume there are some challenges that make it so it's not as easy?

Atama wrote: »

Yes we’ve had this discussion before. APOC is a dumb excuse for a cash grab, banking on the Fortnite fad with the thin explanation that it’s for testing. It’s like a teenager saying that they had to take the car out to a dirt lot to do doughnuts to practice for a driving test.

Is the earth also flat?

So you are saying that because its about indie studios that justify them to bullshit people?

mcstackerson

ferryman wrote: »

mcstackerson wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

Oh well this seams to be a some kind of trend to jump on a side project during the MMO development, and I am now referring here to City State Games who decided after about 6 years of development of Camelot Unchained deliver "a PvE BR tower defending game" called Ragnarok - Colossal.

Furthermore, if we think of the Chronicles of Elyria Scam and those never ending developments like Crowfall and Star Citizen, these examples makes me question the whole MMORPG development genre, especially all crowdfunding and kickstarting companies. Is it too much to ask that companies do what they have actually promised?

If you look at all those games you mentioned, wouldn't you get a clue that there might something going on with MMO development. I'd understand the criticism if it was the norm for MMOs to be cranked out by indies or even large companies but it isn't.

Since it's not the norm, isn't it reasonable to assume there are some challenges that make it so it's not as easy?

Atama wrote: »

Yes we’ve had this discussion before. APOC is a dumb excuse for a cash grab, banking on the Fortnite fad with the thin explanation that it’s for testing. It’s like a teenager saying that they had to take the car out to a dirt lot to do doughnuts to practice for a driving test.

Is the earth also flat?

So you are saying that because its about indie studios that justify them to bullshit people?

No, i'm saying the opposite.

If everyone is having problems putting out MMOs, then they probably aren't bullshitting people.

If you were a professor giving a test, everyone fails, and you have people saying it was too hard. Wouldn't you think they might have an argument because everyone failed. On the other side, if only some failed and make the same claim, you would suspicious of how much those people studied as there were people who were able to pass.

Ferryman

mcstackerson wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

mcstackerson wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

Oh well this seams to be a some kind of trend to jump on a side project during the MMO development, and I am now referring here to City State Games who decided after about 6 years of development of Camelot Unchained deliver "a PvE BR tower defending game" called Ragnarok - Colossal.

Furthermore, if we think of the Chronicles of Elyria Scam and those never ending developments like Crowfall and Star Citizen, these examples makes me question the whole MMORPG development genre, especially all crowdfunding and kickstarting companies. Is it too much to ask that companies do what they have actually promised?

If you look at all those games you mentioned, wouldn't you get a clue that there might something going on with MMO development. I'd understand the criticism if it was the norm for MMOs to be cranked out by indies or even large companies but it isn't.

Since it's not the norm, isn't it reasonable to assume there are some challenges that make it so it's not as easy?

Atama wrote: »

Yes we’ve had this discussion before. APOC is a dumb excuse for a cash grab, banking on the Fortnite fad with the thin explanation that it’s for testing. It’s like a teenager saying that they had to take the car out to a dirt lot to do doughnuts to practice for a driving test.

Is the earth also flat?

So you are saying that because its about indie studios that justify them to bullshit people?

No, i'm saying the opposite.

If everyone is having problems putting out MMOs, then they probably aren't bullshitting people.

Well this is something.. at least interesting. If everyone does that then it does not count as bullshitting. What is this logic? If someone promises to investors deliever a MMORPG game inside 4 years but manages to do it within 7 years or delivers a totally different game what they promised, if that is not bullshitting then what is?

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