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Songcaller

So...You can have 'Friends' in Ashes, 'Friends' can share Freeholds. Why not just make some friends instead of everyone trying to solo multiplayer games?

Nagash

Agreed this could cause problems down the line

Aardvark

Its too big of a pain to try to tell the difference between 1 person with 2 accounts and 2 family members who both play. They are not going to block families they have already said so.

Bardtic

It is definitely P2W to have multiple accounts and freeholds. Although, I dont really see a way to stop this. It is also a minor P2W feature. The time it takes to level up a character and build and maintain a freehold will make it a combination of Play to Win and Pay to Win.

With every character not being able to do everything I don't see it being very easy to get more than one, maybe two characters to the point as master crafters that two freeholds would be necessary. If you do want to spend the time doing that, rather than exploring everything else the game has to offer. More power to you.

Undead Canuck

So my family has multiple accounts. That is P2W? We will all probably have permissions to each other's Freehold (not sure about 1 of them though, she is ornery...).

Please tell me how that is P2W? Yay. We can sit on a different sofa today (I think they said we can sit).

Songcaller

Would be a real pain to pull off though, no guarantee at all that you can build freeholds together in the same node with multiple accounts. Might have to run even more caravans just to harness the multiple accounts. There is risk/reward in the game but I wouldn't want to invest so much time and energy into multiple accounts.

Bardtic

@Undead Canuck He isn't talking about multiple accounts owned by multiple people. He means one person owning multiple accounts.

Undead Canuck

Okay, how about 1 have 2 accounts. One of them is just in case a friend is over and wants to play. I still have 2 accounts. Now it is P2W?

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Bardtic

I think youre kind of missing the point. If freeholds have some form economic production. Someone could potentially run many accounts and make passive money off having anywhere from 2-100 freeholds. The point is how to prevent this while letting people have multiple accounts in the same house for other reasons.

Atama

This is P2W if you decide to make up your own definition of P2W that differs from what the rest of the world uses.

P2W is when the game offers a direct path to gaining a mechanical advantage through payment of real life cash. There is literally no way for Intrepid to prevent a person from buying multiple accounts and use them for one person, because it is impossible to tell who is playing an account on the other end.

You might as well say that spending thousands of dollars for a faster internet connection, fancier keyboard and mouse, sharper monitor, and powerful machine with a high frame rate is P2W. Yes, you will absolutely get an advantage in the game using that equipment rather than a 3 year old laptop over a slow DSL that barely runs the game. And it costs money. But that doesn’t make the game P2W because, again, Intrepid has no control over this, and can’t.

Any accusations that this is P2W more trolling. Some people like making fun of any developer who tries to avoid P2W because they think it’s impossible.

And @Tsukasa is again just bitter that the game isn’t BDO and will take any excuse to snipe at the game and Steven. You are a one trick pony and it’s tedious.

EDIT: I don’t include @Leonerdo in this; you are asking a legit question and nothing against you. You are explicitly not making accusations. No disrespect to you.

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Songcaller

How much time is there in a day? Economic Production requires time to gather resources, time to process resources, time to craft items. It would take a mammoth person to be able to maintain productivity for 2 separate accounts, let alone 100 accounts. Unless one person pays for someone else's account (In other game makers eyes the original subscriber owns everything related to the accounts) then one person will not be able to run 100 Accounts. You can't multibox in this manner without third party software.

If someone wants to waste a ton of money, time and effort to attempt to do it solo, I have no pity.

Atama

Tsukasa wrote: »

@Atama
Archeage did "3 alts max on different computers" and it turned into chaos. I'm speaking from experience. You have no idea...

That is impossible to do and stupid to try to do. Good thing AoC doesn’t do that.

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Aardvark

Tsukasa wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

Tsukasa wrote: »

@Atama
Archeage did "3 alts max on different computers" and it turned into chaos. I'm speaking from experience. You have no idea...

That is impossible to do and stupid to try to do. Good thing AoC doesn’t do that.

Here's Steven's today's message. He's thinking about it.

Alts ruined AAU for me and many other people. Multi-accounting is totally unacceptable! Alts are cursed.

Well if they try to enforce it about the only way is to limit it to 1 account per IP and screw over every family out there. Plus even then you can just have 2 ISP lines giving you 2 different IPs. So even that would not stop it just make it more expensive.

Bardtic

@Tsukasa I really think you missed the point again. He is saying you cannot run multiple applications of the game on a single computer at the same time. You can switch between as many accounts as you want. Says nothing about how many alts each account can have.

Atama

Tsukasa wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

Tsukasa wrote: »

@Atama
Archeage did "3 alts max on different computers" and it turned into chaos. I'm speaking from experience. You have no idea...

That is impossible to do and stupid to try to do. Good thing AoC doesn’t do that.

Here's Steven's today's message. He's thinking about it.

That’s because people keep asking about it. (Hence threads like this.) Steven already gave his own thoughts in your screenshot; he doesn’t care if multiple people in the same house play. But people keep bringing it up in the forums or asking him about it directly so they are going to ask our input because they don’t want to ignore our input.

I hope there’s not some ridiculous surge of people insisting this. It’s ridiculous.

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