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Dynamic boss difficulty=risk vs reward
Potato Basket
Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
I would like to see the concept of dynamic difficulty implemented for instanced/raid/world bosses
If the boss successfully kills a player this triggers more challenging mechanics, for example, it allows him to spawn minions which he wouldn't do otherwise
To take this a step further this mechanic can depend on the archetype of such killed player, if it's a tank the boss now gets an armor of some sort, if it's a healer he gets healed as if he drank the player's blood/potions, if it's a dps he gets a buff and deals more damage
There's endless variables you can incorporate such as the gear of the players
For example, if you as the dps role wearing a specific rare set with a bonus elemental damage which the boss is weak to, in case you die the boss gains such set effects to his damage or no longer weak to such element
Now there's a consideration whether to bring your rare gear to make the fight easier but also riskier if you die and make it more difficult for everyone else=risk vs reward
In general, this will incorporate the challenge and difficulty onto the selected party by pretty much relying on the weakest links of the party=meaningful choices
EDIT:
I'm not suggesting it to replace the current design but in addition
I'm sure there's plenty enough content so they can mix things up, also don't forget post launch
I guess it would make more sense for the end game type of content where you expected to execute everything perfectly otherwise it will spin out of control real quick which makes it more interesting in my opinion
I like the existing design, I think it will work great for instanced or normal type of content compared to the suggested concept which is more hardcore
If the boss successfully kills a player this triggers more challenging mechanics, for example, it allows him to spawn minions which he wouldn't do otherwise
To take this a step further this mechanic can depend on the archetype of such killed player, if it's a tank the boss now gets an armor of some sort, if it's a healer he gets healed as if he drank the player's blood/potions, if it's a dps he gets a buff and deals more damage
There's endless variables you can incorporate such as the gear of the players
For example, if you as the dps role wearing a specific rare set with a bonus elemental damage which the boss is weak to, in case you die the boss gains such set effects to his damage or no longer weak to such element
Now there's a consideration whether to bring your rare gear to make the fight easier but also riskier if you die and make it more difficult for everyone else=risk vs reward
In general, this will incorporate the challenge and difficulty onto the selected party by pretty much relying on the weakest links of the party=meaningful choices
EDIT:
I'm not suggesting it to replace the current design but in addition
I'm sure there's plenty enough content so they can mix things up, also don't forget post launch
I guess it would make more sense for the end game type of content where you expected to execute everything perfectly otherwise it will spin out of control real quick which makes it more interesting in my opinion
I like the existing design, I think it will work great for instanced or normal type of content compared to the suggested concept which is more hardcore
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What happens when your group stomps boss A while a seprate group due to it not being instanced takes like 2hrs and 10 wipes on boss B is the next boss going to be scaled up because of your group or down because that other group that sucks won't go away?
In the case you describe, group B wont even have an attempt at the boss, as group A will just venture deeper and procceed to slam dunk boss B. Now if group B nuked boss A in no time, and then failed numerous times on boss B, thats where you can raise the question what happens when group A leaves, is the boss on a timer before it goes on reset mode it recalculcate his values depending on Boss A, or is it going to sit there until killed/server restarted.
If there is a case when group B is parked on boss B spawn(not sure if its even possible), and group A stomps boss A in no time, and group B immediately proceeds to attack boss B, but fails miserably multiple times like you described until group A arrives, nothing stops group A from just outdpsing the boss, or wiping group B out of there, since they are clearly more geared or better coordinated.
if you watched the stream you would have seen the dungeon is huge and doesn't have to be done in order. You could have 4 groups in there at the same time and not even know unless they were looking for each other
The way they are planning is that the encounters get more difficult mechanically the more successfully you perform. This is to increase the reward for increasing the risk. Your suggestion seems to make it harder for doing worse. For the boss to get buffs based on what it kills. This would seemingly make it spiral out of control. If you are having a hard enough time that one of your members die, buffing the boss is only going to make it harder.
I can see what you are suggesting but I think the planned method is more targeted and the closest thing to rewarding skill that I've seen. So if a boss spawns more adds it should be because the previous boss was killed fast rather than for the previous boss killing x amount of dps.
If I would change your idea, I'd have the boss have buffs based to counter the comp. The more healers the party has, the more aoe damage it should do; the more tanks, the more armor pen/ adds; the more dps, the more self healing/faster rage timer. This way the boss is overcoming the party's cheesy mechanics. Then again this could be manipulated.
Sorry for not making my point clear, i've edited the messaged to represents my process of thoughts slightly better.
I'm not suggesting it to replace the current design but in addition to it
I'm sure there's plenty enough content so they can mix things up, also don't forget post launch
I guess it would make more sense for the end game type of content where you expected to execute everything perfectly otherwise it will spin out of control real quick which makes it more interesting in my opinion
I like the existing design, I think it will work great for instanced or normal type of content compared to the suggested concept which is more hardcore
My question would be - in an open dungeon, what happens if raid A pulls a boss, and while they are fighting that, raid B goes past them and gets to the next boss?
Raid B could be fighting the second boss before raid A has finished with the first. Raid A may even wipe on the first boss, meaning raid B will be taking on the second boss while the first boss is still there.
Also, the dungeons in Ashes are supposed to be non-linear, meaning there isn't supposed to be a "first" boss and a "second" boss.
Honestly, the whole concept doesn't really seem to work outside of instanced content.
There will always be a first boss, a second boss etc. Whether it is always the same bosses and order of skills is debatable. It isnt me suggesting bosses will become more difficult dependant on previous performance. In terms of tags it would be easier to implement rather than basing it off DPS. It is also not clear how they will stop multiple raids hitting bosses at the same time (from the same guild). It wouldn't matter which raid would kill it, the same guild would get the loot.
Enrage timers are probably the worst thing to be introduced to raids since - well, ever.
There are much better ways to implement DPS checks.
Sometimes I feel Ashes is too ambitious. Sometimes I feel Ashes concepts cant work together. I will be relieved when NDA lifts and we can discuss actual game dynamics rather than theories lol
In terms of ways to prevent players farming instances, Intrepid simply need to find a way to apply a lockout that works in with the systems in Ashes.
If people can only run a raid instance once per week, it is hard to farm it to excess.
As in the other thread lockout timers fix the farm every thing worry and I find it interesting you would only be ok with instanced raids if they made them worthless to actually do. As many like to point out this is not a pve game its pvx...but those same exact people keep forgetting its not a pvp game its pvx....you have to have important viable pve as well or you just end up with pvp game.
The main issue I see is the failure in the Tagged System. In other games if you Tag a target, then only you or your group can only loot it. Instead Ashes have decided that an outside force can outperform the Tag Team and steal the loot. This means Raids are less likely to even PvP, they'd just out DPS the Tagged Team.
The only time this wouldn't be an issue is if the secondary Raid arrives when the Tagged Target is lower than 60% health, because the Tagged Team would have surpassed the 40% DPS threshold. It is a mish mash set of circumstances where definitive answers can't be given because raiding isn't static, raiding is fluid.
Oh now that you mention it, Steven said something about that. I think something like the quicker you kill a boss the better loot will drop or something similar to that. That said, enrage timers aren't a bad thing, you create interesting mechanics with that, too. Most raidbosses usually only have the "if you don't kill boss in x minutes, you die"-mechanic. I agree that this is indeed a boring concept.
Hi there fellow Tibia-brother
So you want the boss in Zul Grub that yells ding and levels up everytime he kills a player?
It would be hilarious if a Boss wipes a raid and says 'Noobs'. Lol