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Lostforever
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In the recent dev discussion, Steven said that, whichever team does the most DPS get the loot right of bosses etc. This is fine but how do we know how much DPS we are doing? This is not discussion about DPS meters! But consider this case,
Two teams (A and
are killing the boss. Team A is better geared than the other team B so clearly Team A is going to do more DPS and get the loot. Outcome of this has been decided even before the fight is about begin provided gear is greater than all. Now you are member of team B, what would you do in this case? But remember you don't know what the DPS other team is doing.
Two teams (A and
are killing the boss. Team A is better geared than the other team B so clearly Team A is going to do more DPS and get the loot. Outcome of this has been decided even before the fight is about begin provided gear is greater than all. Now you are member of team B, what would you do in this case? But remember you don't know what the DPS other team is doing. 0
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Edit: In a simple scenario it would be simple to know if you've done 40% of the damage if another Raid hasn't contested by that point because the boss would be at 60% Health.
If the Raid Boss has self heals it would be difficult to know what percentage damage you've done until the Raid Boss is defeated which means you'd have to fight to control the Raid Boss which heals.
The issues is not a static issue, there will be group balance. Traditionally a Raid Group (PvE Focussed) is better equipped to fight than most PvP Raid Groups (Not necessarily through gear, but, through team synergies). It is not impossible for a PvP Raid Group to outperform a PvE Raid Group in terms of synergies, but, PvE Raids are easier to access than massed scale PvP and the skill acquisition can sometimes be slower for PvP Raid Teams. Often times, a PvE Raid Team is the PvP Raid Team. It is why I love PvX Titles.
Good question. We still don't know everything so we just have to wait for the alpha.
See my answer above, Team A is has better gear so team B will loose the PvP match as well.
If Team B, stays and fight the boss, Team B is really helping the Team A by killing the boss faster!
Team B only have 1 real option, that is to leave but since we don't know what DPS we or others are doing, we can't make informed decisions as to if we stay and fight the boss or we leave. You have to hope for the best and in reality, you had no chance in hell of ever getting the loot.
most organised Raid Teams will have a Cover Raid Team to block contesters, even fight the contesters before the contesters can even aggravate the actual people on the Raid Boss.
There will always be more than 1 option for people. It's an MMO and you can make alliances.
"The A Team" has better gear but team B has a raid boss hitting team A at the same time...seems like a fair fight.
but yes i would prefer a system where there aren't MORE drops to a boss if multiple teams hit it. rather the drops get distributed unequaly based on how much dmg each team does, so you can also cooperate on bosses.
If your raid is under geared hopefully you walked in on them and not the other way around. It is not going to be out DPSing the other raid party but making them wipe.
lets assume you walk in on them because If they walk in on you you've probably already lost.
Put pressure on their tanks and healers. Try not to go red doing so, pressure not kill. If you can make the tank break agro and the healers cant handle the pressure. you probably made them wipe.
I'm really excited to play tank. The utility they have thought up is amaze-balls for pvp.
There is the potential to Pull their tank to the healers or DPS causing havoc and extra pressure on the healers. The shield may or may not block heals.
In other games with similar loot lock mechanics If you don't have looting rights the target info is grayed out. So I assume there will be a visual indicator as such to let you know. Will be interesting to find out if you need to reset the fight if the other raid party got the boss down past 60% before they wiped. Then there is also the dynamics of bosses where there are multiple raid party fighting. These fights will go to the guilds who have dedicated PvP sister guilds.
Ideally, this could result in some really awesome tactical situations.
Also I think it's a bad example to begin with, they may be doing more DPS, but fuck that, they have plenty of options.
That decision is not one that is made from a logical perspective.
You can craft gear equal to dropped gear, yes. My point is until Raid Bosses are killed everyone will mostly have crafted gear. It makes no sense not to contest a kill. If you are not willing to contest a kill then Ashes isnt for you. If you dont want to play without third party addons then Ashes isnt for you.
I have no personal issues with contesting a kill, however - player agency and all - I want to be able to know how well things are going so I know if I need to come up with a different approach.
On of the cornerstones of player agency is that players have the information they need to make decisions, and to understand the consequences of this. As such, anything done to take away information from players reduces player agency, by it's very definition.
You claim to be the top 1% of Raiders, but, you seem to believe you cant determine what is happening without a DPS Meter.
If a Raid Kills a Raid Boss, no one will care about a lack of DPS Meter - irrespective of the difficulty, if a Raid is wiping they would love a DPS Meter and even call for nerfs. Trial and error builds stronger foundations than blanket approaches.
If this is a factor in how loot is awarded, then it is something that should be known to players.
I believe there will be a indication if your raid has loot priority as most games have that. If your Raid has it and loses it you know you are getting out DPS'd and that you need to change to wipe the other raid group.
The leading proposition to Intrepid in regards to a combat tracker was to make it so that it is a guild perk, and only works on members of that one guild.
As such, any player wanting to avoid combat trackers will likely find that if they play the game normally, that will happen - as you can only have direct association with a combat tracker if you are in a guild that picks that perk.
I will want to know the DPS of an opposing raid if we are competing against a single encounter - since the most damage gets all the loot - but that is literally it.
However, I'd happily take simply knowing the DPS my raid is putting out over nothing.
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But I will further the discussion asking: what happens if there are 3 or 4 teams fighting a world boss? Who's getting the spoils of war? As long as one team is not ridiculously stronger than any of the others, no one team will end up with 40% DPS done or even 60%.
Flag purple and go full ham on Team A's tank. I doubt they brought 2 tanks, so if he dies, they'll all wipe. They can either flag back and kill me, or let their tank die and let me get corruption.
Then, after the tank dies, it'll go after their DPS (or my teams tank, who knows).
But it's MY LOOT!!!! MINE!!!
Better yet, what about groups that specifically try to game this by NOT bringing a tank and healers? Imagine Team A has 2 healers, 5 dps, and 1 tank. Team B has 8 dps, all with cleric as a secondary archetype. Team B has no plans whatsoever of engaging a boss on their own, but instead plan on letting another group tank and heal it while Team B plans to simply dominate the DPS on the boss and therefore grab the loot.
I would guess either there's a backup measurement if no one takes the threshold, or the threshold itself is not a % of the bosses HP, but is some % DPS more than whatever the tagging party does.
Like, if the DPS is split 25/25/25/25 among 4 teams, I would assume the tagging team still gets the loot and that we would need something like 15/35/25/25, where 15 is the tagging team in order for the 35% to take the loot.
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