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Racial Progression in Foreign Lands?

skafftarussskafftaruss Member, Phoenix Initiative, Hero of the People, Kickstarter, Alpha One
One of my guild members posed the question: ‘How will races affect where we spawn in-game.’ As example, if I am a RenKai, and the guild decides to gather at a Nikua starting point, near a coast, is there a downside (as in no racial trait progression)? Is there such a thing as racial progression in AOC? If so, what is the downside to racial progression? Will we have to travel and use family summon to fix this? As always, I lean on @Jahlon for sage insight. Other comments welcome. Skaff.

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  • JahlonJahlon Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha One
    We do not know enough about what the racial access to things in nodes is, if any.

    I've got this noted in my 50 pages of things to investigate.
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    Any race can start at any portal.
    Your Ren'Kai could start at the Dünzenkell Portal.
    If you care about Ren'Kai racial progression nearby you're still going to want to try get a bunch of Ren'Kai to progress nearby nodes such that the NPCs there are Ren'Kai even though they might become vassals of the Niküa node that hopes to become a Metro .
    To get your final racial progression, you're going to want to make sure there is a Ren'Kai Metro on your server.
    You shouldn't expect to do much racial progression without NPCs of your race around to send you on those quests.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack
    It is probably worth noting that less than half a percent of all quests in the game will be specific to any one given race, so it is probably safe to say that any racial progression is going to be a small part of the game.
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    edited December 2020
    There might even be different directories of the quest that exist for specific races, and even though you're sharing a quest to kill a boss, if you're human and I'm an elf, I will have a different arc potentially that leads in a different direction than you, even though we took the same quest; and this can relate to who the primary cultural contributor is to a node unlocking different arcs for cultures that share the primary culture of a node - not that locks out content but it gives a flavor in a different direction so that not everything is so cookie cutter.
    – Steven Sharif

    Race matters because narratives have paths that also are influenced based on the primary contributing culture to the node... If you're a Niküa and you're in a Niküa node that's predominantly Niküa, you're going to have certain services and/or abilities as a member of the Niküa race that other races may not have access to... They may have alternative quest lines, but they won't have specific ones. Now those specific Niküa quests will then relate to the meta-narrative that's present in the world and they'll start to direct some of that meta-narrative; and that'll be beneficial for your kind because it will unlock certain content for your race that other races haven't unlocked yet. So there is an incentive there to see progression along that line now in order to curb the progress of a dominant race.
    – Steven Sharif
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    noanni says race doesn't matter.
    Steven says race does matter.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack
    Dygz wrote: »
    noanni says race doesn't matter.
    Steven says race does matter.

    Quests that are race specific, title specific, or guild specific will likely be less than 10% of the total number of quests.

    10% of quests divided 3 ways equals 3.33% of quests each way.

    3.33% of quests spread over 7 races = 0.475% of quests that are unique to each race.

    I am not saying anything, I am simply using math. If you take issue with what that math says, take it up with someone that cares.
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    I don't take issue with anything you say.
    I don't think you're saying the same thing that Steven is saying.
    But, I've posted Steven's quotes so that people can make up their own minds.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack
    Dygz wrote: »
    But, I've posted Steven's quotes so that people can make up their own minds.

    Steven has specifically said that 90% of quests will be able to be shared between all players, and the remaining 10% are things like racial quests, title and ownership quests, guild specific quests and the like. Using a bit of math from there to deduce my numbers above is purely elementary.

    If you want to claim you are leaving quotes so that players can make up their own mind, leave ALL the quotes, not just some of them. If all you do is leave some of the quotes, then you are not doing it so others can make up their own mind, you are doing it in an attempt to influence that decision making.
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    edited December 2020
    The dev quotes I care about are the ones that say race matters.
    They are the ones that are most relevant to this topic.
    If others who care about this topic find your opinions helpful - that's great.
    And you can provide quotes to support your interpretation, if that's want you wish to do.
    Or not.

    (racial progression is not just about quests)
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack
    Dygz wrote: »
    The dev quotes I care about are the ones that say race matters.
    They are the ones that are most relevant to this topic.
    If others who care about this topic find your opinions helpful - that's great.
    And you can provide quotes to support your interpretation, if that's want you wish to do.
    Or not.

    (racial progression is not just about quests)
    In other words, you are not interested in helping others make up their own minds as you claim, but rather, want people to come to the same conclusion as you have, and so are only providing the information to that end.

    Cool, that says everything anyone ever needs to know about you.
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    edited December 2020
    You help people your way and I will help people my way.
    Steven says that race matters. That's what I care about.
    If you care about something different and want to help people with that, great.

    At this point, you are just arguing to argue.
    I'm done.
    You can win if that makes you feel better.
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