Idea

Hylobates

Hello, we talked on the discord about the Tank archetype. It's a little detail but it kinda bugs me that an archetype is more of a role than a class/title, which doesn't help the game immersion.
Someone then suggested a "Defender" instead of the Tank, which to me works much better.
Was hoping that Idea reaches the devs

In the end I'm so hyped about AOC that this little detail won't ruin the experience for me.

ZeekMystic

Yeah it is a little jarring that all the other archetypes and classes have these epic fantasy names and then you have Tank. It’s something that’s bugged me since learning of the game, it’s also the archetype I’m gonna main so would love to see it changed lol

dawntracker

Hylobates wrote: »

Hello, we talked on the discord about the Tank archetype. It's a little detail but it kinda bugs me that an archetype is more of a role than a class/title, which doesn't help the game immersion.
Someone then suggested a "Defender" instead of the Tank, which to me works much better.
Was hoping that Idea reaches the devs

In the end I'm so hyped about AOC that this little detail won't ruin the experience for me.

I fully agree with this. I dont really mind if they keep it tank, but it just seems a bit out of place. Would like to see a different name for it.

In the end, just like you, a detail like that wouldn't ruin it for me, but it's a detail that I personally would like to see changed.

Frassle

I totally agree and it matters to nerds like us! It's a cleric, not a healer. I'm also not huge on fighter, but seems like a change from the always used warrior. But aren't we all fighters? There are also specific class names once combined with a secondary archetype, which does circumvent this a little.

bigepeen

If you think the primary archetype names are generic, then call people by their full primary/secondary class name! I think whoever named the latter did a great job. Perhaps the primary archetype names are meant to be bland to eliminate confusion with people thinking it's a full class name.

winner909098

bigepeen wrote: »

If you think the primary archetype names are generic, then call people by their full primary/secondary class name! I think whoever named the latter did a great job. Perhaps the primary archetype names are meant to be bland to eliminate confusion with people thinking it's a full class name.

Good point!

Hurf Derfman

I honestly don't care what it's called. At the end of the day I'll be a Paladin. 😉

Atama

I’ll second the request for Defender, or maybe change it to Guardian and make a Guardian/Guardian be a Champion. Champion and Defender are much better names than the absolutely anachronistic name “Tank”. Or perhaps Armsman, or Juggernaut, or any other relevant name that isn’t currently used in the class system for Ashes. If I tried I could probably come up with a dozen names better than “Tank”.

Remember that term references the armored war vehicle that was developed for World War I. The term would be meaningless in-game for a fantasy world no more technologically advanced than late medieval/early renaissance. While some of the names could use some improvement (do we need both Guardian and Shadow Guardian, and what the hell is a Spellmancer supposed to be, some kind of Witchlock or Wizcaster?) there is still no name as egregiously bad as Tank.

Valento92

Defender is a great name, I like it.

Kneczhevo

Ya, this has been a hashed out topic, that has lost momentum. Until, Steven says otherwise, it's tank /sigh. Everyone is waiting for this week's q&a.

But, please keep pushing.

I'm pushing for a lexicon, hopefully Intrepid will listen.

Karthos

Is it 2017 again?

Khronus

I'm down to be called a Guardian. Tank is such a silly class name.

The meaning of tank - noun
1.a large receptacle or storage chamber, especially for liquid or gas.
2.a heavy armored fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.

The meaning of Guardian - Noun

1.a defender, protector, or keeper.


Like this should be a no brainer here.

Medrash

Hylobates wrote: »

Hello, we talked on the discord about the Tank archetype. It's a little detail but it kinda bugs me that an archetype is more of a role than a class/title, which doesn't help the game immersion.
Someone then suggested a "Defender" instead of the Tank, which to me works much better.
Was hoping that Idea reaches the devs

In the end I'm so hyped about AOC that this little detail won't ruin the experience for me.

I already spoken about this in one of my posts. The tank as you said is a rule and not a class ... like calling the cleric the "healer" .
it's not just immersion and a name , it is the whole class design that is messy.
Usually the warrior or knight or paladin ... i think that Paladin is pretty good and sound good too. Or guardian , defender.

In mmorpg usually the warrior can be both, tank and dps... here it's not the case becouse we have only 1 class with one directional rule . For this reason primarily the class system has some issues.

Hurf Derfman

KHRONUS wrote: »

I'm down to be called a Guardian. Tank is such a silly class name.

The meaning of tank - noun
1.a large receptacle or storage chamber, especially for liquid or gas.
2.a heavy armored fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.

The meaning of Guardian - Noun

1.a defender, protector, or keeper.


Like this should be a no brainer here.

Tank/tank= Guardian
Tank/summoner= Keeper

The word protector could technically also describe a healer so...
Here is a better word for ya to mull over:

Vanguard
1: the forefront of an action or movement
2: the troops moving at the head of an army

Atama

Hurf Derfman wrote: »

KHRONUS wrote: »

I'm down to be called a Guardian. Tank is such a silly class name.

The meaning of tank - noun
1.a large receptacle or storage chamber, especially for liquid or gas.
2.a heavy armored fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.

The meaning of Guardian - Noun

1.a defender, protector, or keeper.


Like this should be a no brainer here.

Tank/tank= Guardian
Tank/summoner= Keeper

The word protector could technically also describe a healer so...
Here is a better word for ya to mull over:

Vanguard
1: the forefront of an action or movement
2: the troops moving at the head of an army

Sure, better than Tank.

Khronus

@Hurf Derfman I think any word would be more fitting. If we call the tanking class a "guardian" then the subclass mirror should also be called guardian. True to the form since you chose your subtype as your primary.

Cleric/cleric should be called cleric and every other subclass option should change it's referred to name. If this makes the name sound lame in comparison to others, then the original name is the issue. rogue/rogue being called a rogue is indeed lame. There just could be more thought put into the actual class names and not all the energy going into combination names imo.

Hurf Derfman

@KHRONUS a Vanguard/Vanguard could be called a Vanguardian. 😏

Hylobates

Yeah, I saw different posts about this subject. I can imagine they realise the names for archetypes/classes need some rework but since they have so much other work to do, they will leave going over the names for later. In the end it's not actually a game changing detail.
Still hope they take a look eventually

Damokles

LETS ALL JUST AGREE THAT MOST NAMES WOULD BE BETTER THEN TANK.

PlagueMonk

I thought this was already settled, ah well. (don't forget about Dreadnought while you're changing things )

FuryBladeborne

The reasoning behind the Archetype names is, IS designed the class system as starting with an Archetype (which describes a game play strategy) and then combines that Archetype with another Archetype to create what is normally called a class.

When players come to Ashes, they look at the Archetype names and expect to see classes. Their expectation is confirmed by the fact that all of the archetype names aside from Tank are names that are commonly used for class names in other games. That is why Tank feels out of place. Players expect to see class names and Tank doesn't fit the normal category.

All that being said, I am in favor of changing Tank to Defender (or another fitting name that sounds like a class) as well for the sake of homogeneity that will result in making the archetypes less confusing as more players come; and, to reduce these threads.

Khronus

@hurf Bruh. Genius.

Khronus

@FuryBladeborne If this is the case, then we can never have another tank class added to the game. Also, we would need to change the cleric name to "healer" as this is literally how dumb it currently is to be called "tank".

FuryBladeborne

You don't understand. All 8 classes listed under the Tank archetype are versions of Tank classes.

Also, I agree that Tank does not match Cleric. I explained that all the Archetype names sound like class names except Tank and that is why I ended with I agree that Tank should be changed to defender or another similar name.

Atama

KHRONUS wrote: »

@FuryBladeborne If this is the case, then we can never have another tank class added to the game. Also, we would need to change the cleric name to "healer" as this is literally how dumb it currently is to be called "tank".

I disagree with you here. "Healer" would make sense as the name of a person who heals in a fantasy setting. "Tank" doesn't, because it doesn't have any meaning in that world. At least "healer" isn't an anachronism.

A closer analogy would be saying that it would be like changing "Cleric" to "Ambulance".

bigepeen

Atama wrote: »

KHRONUS wrote: »

@FuryBladeborne If this is the case, then we can never have another tank class added to the game. Also, we would need to change the cleric name to "healer" as this is literally how dumb it currently is to be called "tank".

I disagree with you here. "Healer" would make sense as the name of a person who heals in a fantasy setting. "Tank" doesn't, because it doesn't have any meaning in that world. At least "healer" isn't an anachronism.

A closer analogy would be saying that it would be like changing "Cleric" to "Ambulance".

I dunno, it's pretty obvious to me that tank means a character who will be tanking a lot of damage.

FuryBladeborne

Cleric and 6 of the other archetype names are commonly used as class names in MMO's. Tank is not. That why Tank does not fit. Alternatively, you could change Cleric to Healer and make the other 6 Archetypes into more generic names that are equal to Tank. It just seems easier to change Tank to Defender or some other name that sounds like a normal class name and describes Tank.

Atama

bigepeen wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

KHRONUS wrote: »

@FuryBladeborne If this is the case, then we can never have another tank class added to the game. Also, we would need to change the cleric name to "healer" as this is literally how dumb it currently is to be called "tank".

I disagree with you here. "Healer" would make sense as the name of a person who heals in a fantasy setting. "Tank" doesn't, because it doesn't have any meaning in that world. At least "healer" isn't an anachronism.

A closer analogy would be saying that it would be like changing "Cleric" to "Ambulance".

I dunno, it's pretty obvious to me that tank means a character who will be tanking a lot of damage.

That’s because you are living in the 21st century, over a century after tanks were created. Again, the term “tank” would have no meaning in a world like Verra except perhaps as a large container for liquids.

Unless you are secretly a fantasy being in a medieval world? In which case I wonder how you got access to the internet. An upgraded Palantir?