Glorious Alpha Two Testers!

Alpha Two Realms are now unlocked for Phase II testing!

For our initial launch, testing will begin on Friday, December 20, 2024, at 10 AM Pacific and continue uninterrupted until Monday, January 6, 2025, at 10 AM Pacific. After January 6th, we’ll transition to a schedule of five-day-per-week access for the remainder of Phase II.

You can download the game launcher here and we encourage you to join us on our for the most up to date testing news.

Powerlevelers and Booster/Gold Sellers

Calzone2Calzone2 Member
edited October 2020 in General Discussion
How will people who sell AoC Powerleveling or AoC Gold be adressed by interpid?
what do u guys think
«1

Comments

  • unknownsystemerrorunknownsystemerror Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    They will be found and banned. They have stated this previously multiple times.
    south-park-rabble-rabble-rabbl-53b58d315aa49.jpg
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Gold Sellers are scum :#
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


    giphy-downsized-large.gif?cid=b603632fp2svffcmdi83yynpfpexo413mpb1qzxnh3cei0nx&ep=v1_gifs_gifId&rid=giphy-downsized-large.gif&ct=s
  • AzeemAzeem Member, Alpha Two
    They're going to have live GMs monitoring the servers so it shouldn't be too bad.
  • Prepare your pitchforks because we're gonna be hunting for some gold scammers in game.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Dargour wrote: »
    Prepare your pitchforks because we're gonna be hunting for some gold scammers in game.

    I hope the Corruption System can be turned off for Gold Scammers.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


    giphy-downsized-large.gif?cid=b603632fp2svffcmdi83yynpfpexo413mpb1qzxnh3cei0nx&ep=v1_gifs_gifId&rid=giphy-downsized-large.gif&ct=s
  • Lore DynamicLore Dynamic Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 2020
    Oh good! I'm glad this issue has already been addressed, because I was curious about exactly that:

    Gold-Sellers and Gathering-Bots.

    I'm relieved to hear that Intrepid will have a dedicated team tracking them down and squishing them! The last thing any of us want is these fiends ruining our immersion and our economies! :|


    Steven Sharif is my James Halliday (Anorak)

    Lore-Banner-Ao-C.png

    “That is not dead which can eternal lie,
    And with strange aeons even death may die.”

    -HPL
  • WarthWarth Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 2020
    Its pretty simple actually.
    The harder you crack down on the sellers AND buyers (!), the lower the market will be and ultimately the problem in the end.

    Permaban the selling accounts and punish the buyers of such services extensively.

    This way, you remove the corporate aspect of it. Then you just have those left, that sell some gold to a friend once in a while. Which is a neglible problem.
  • LieutenantToastLieutenantToast Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    For reference, here's the handy dandy section of our Terms of Service that covers this accordingly:

    "You agree that you will not buy, sell or trade, or offer to buy, sell or trade, any Game Assets, except that you may trade certain in-game items (e.g., houses, armor, weapons, consumables) for other in-game items and/or in-game currency in an in-game transaction expressly permitted by Intrepid (e.g., an authorized transaction using an in-game auction house or Intrepid-sanctioned in-game item trade between Intrepid Account holders). For the avoidance of doubt, and in no way limiting the foregoing, you are prohibited from offering for sale or purchasing any Game Assets (whether or not held by Intrepid Accounts registered to you) outside of the Service, through a website, or any other medium, or exchanging Game Assets, whether inside or outside the Service, for anything of value outside the Service or in the real world."

    Which means if you do these things, the hammer may swing! 🔨 As some other folks in this thread have already mentioned, a combination of in-game support/GMs and your lovely eyes and ears on the ground reporting them to us will help us make Verra a safer place <3
    community_management.gif
  • akabearakabear Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited November 2020
    There will be a set of stocks or gallows in each town where players that have been banned will be strung up on public display for all to see!
    • Ball and chain to foot, and limited walk speed and bound to town for very minor infringement for a timed penalty ie use of profane language..
    • Stocks for minor infringement
    • Gallows for perma ban



    (Just a thought!)
  • bloodprophetbloodprophet Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Hopefully sharp sticks and lots of fire.
    Most people never listen. They are just waiting on you to quit making noise so they can.
  • BobzUrUncleBobzUrUncle Member, Alpha Two
    I love the idea of the characters being locked up. Or maybe instead of banning completely, have the whole account marked as permanently corrupted.
    While that sounds fun, it is better to just ban-hammer them.
  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    I am actually interested to know if a player can be un-banned if there is proof of a missunderstanding on any ban reason.
  • FuryBladeborneFuryBladeborne Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I would hope so. Provided that it is actually proof and not an unsubstantiated claim.
  • DamoklesDamokles Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    tenor.gif
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    I love the idea of the characters being locked up.
    ...
    While that sounds fun, it is better to just ban-hammer them.

    Why not both? Ban them, but leave their unplayable character model in the stocks for a week where we can pay 1gp to the node to be able to pelt them with rotten fruit, before they're deleted.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


    giphy-downsized-large.gif?cid=b603632fp2svffcmdi83yynpfpexo413mpb1qzxnh3cei0nx&ep=v1_gifs_gifId&rid=giphy-downsized-large.gif&ct=s
  • MichaelMichael Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    I love the idea of the characters being locked up.
    ...
    While that sounds fun, it is better to just ban-hammer them.

    Why not both? Ban them, but leave their unplayable character model in the stocks for a week where we can pay 1gp to the node to be able to pelt them with rotten fruit, before they're deleted.

    I will be Verra's finest rotten fruit salesman for this very purpose.
  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Michael wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »
    I love the idea of the characters being locked up.
    ...
    While that sounds fun, it is better to just ban-hammer them.

    Why not both? Ban them, but leave their unplayable character model in the stocks for a week where we can pay 1gp to the node to be able to pelt them with rotten fruit, before they're deleted.

    I will be Verra's finest rotten fruit salesman for this very purpose.
    Getcher veggies, getcher old rotten veggies! Extra slimy and stinky, get ‘em while they’re no longer fresh!
     
    Hhak63P.png
  • GrihmGrihm Member
    For reference, here's the handy dandy section of our Terms of Service that covers this accordingly:

    "You agree that you will not buy, sell or trade, or offer to buy, sell or trade, any Game Assets, except that you may trade certain in-game items (e.g., houses, armor, weapons, consumables) for other in-game items and/or in-game currency in an in-game transaction expressly permitted by Intrepid (e.g., an authorized transaction using an in-game auction house or Intrepid-sanctioned in-game item trade between Intrepid Account holders). For the avoidance of doubt, and in no way limiting the foregoing, you are prohibited from offering for sale or purchasing any Game Assets (whether or not held by Intrepid Accounts registered to you) outside of the Service, through a website, or any other medium, or exchanging Game Assets, whether inside or outside the Service, for anything of value outside the Service or in the real world."

    Which means if you do these things, the hammer may swing! 🔨 As some other folks in this thread have already mentioned, a combination of in-game support/GMs and your lovely eyes and ears on the ground reporting them to us will help us make Verra a safer place <3


    Just wanted to add a question to this.

    To further ensure the economy does not evolve to gold sales etc ahead with people and their elaborate plans, could we not include a full permanent ban and account wipe / deletion for people that start to spam chat with the usual
    w-w-w. yeahgoldishardbutg3titherelaaawl. co---m 3$ - 50k gOOOld?

    Also, to be prepared for these people, what about a specific report section that you can send in and it includes

    * Screenshot of chat box to add gold seller info / addresses
    * Timestamps / Node / Server / World location etc etc ( as in ALL the info )
    * Optional screenshots taken during gameplay for more evidence

    I feel there are often a lack of tools for us to use to report these situations, and instead we have to make due with calling it " abuse " or " bad behaviour " and it get´s flooded in the pile of never ending reports.

    The absolut most game affecting abuses should very much have their own specific report section.

    Also, when these reports are sent in, and there are an abundance of evidence that fully proves what they are doing, i would vote for you wiping the entire guild / faction / group or whatever you want to call it. Make it clear day one what happens.

  • MaezrielMaezriel Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I wouldn't mind if GMs had a way to flag botters so nearby players were free to engage them w/o fear of Corruption.
    ZeFuP1X.png
    If I said something that you disagree w/ feel free to say so here.
  • unknownsystemerrorunknownsystemerror Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Maezriel wrote: »
    I wouldn't mind if GMs had a way to flag botters so nearby players were free to engage them w/o fear of Corruption.

    If a GM has enough time to determine that someone is a bot, they have time enough to ban.
    south-park-rabble-rabble-rabbl-53b58d315aa49.jpg
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    edited June 2021
    Though crude, I think Asmongold said it best when he suggested for Blizzard to hire some bottom rung interns to just fly around banning people that are clearly, shamelessly botting. you only need a few people to do it. But this is only a band-aid. This forces the bots to evolve and be more discrete where the real battle vs the bots comes in.
    8vf24h7y7lio.jpg
    Commissioned at https://fiverr.com/ravenjuu
  • maouwmaouw Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Though crude, I think Asmongold said it best when he suggested for Blizzard to hire some bottom rung interns to just fly around banning people that are clearly, shamelessly botting. you only need a few people to do it. But this is only a band-aid. This forces the bots to evolve and be more discrete where the real battle vs the bots comes in.

    100%

    This is why quite a few games do "ban waves" instead of insta-bans - you can uncover more of the botting network and get deeper into the roots this way.
    I wish I were deep and tragic
  • tautautautau Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    The bans must extend to the BUYERS as well as the sellers. If we can remove the demand, there will be no reason to farm the gold.

    Also - consider listing the banned accounts on the forums so we know and to inhibit others.

    Also - consider punishments of guilds which are found to be full of people buying (or selling) gold. Remove some of their guild perks, don't allow them castles or guild halls....make them clean their own houses of gold buyers.
  • ConradConrad Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    tautau wrote: »
    The bans must extend to the BUYERS as well as the sellers. If we can remove the demand, there will be no reason to farm the gold.

    Also - consider listing the banned accounts on the forums so we know and to inhibit others.

    Also - consider punishments of guilds which are found to be full of people buying (or selling) gold. Remove some of their guild perks, don't allow them castles or guild halls....make them clean their own houses of gold buyers.

    I personally support witch hunts. WoW devs don't understand that Witch hunts help get rid of boosters and that allowed the to spread like a disease and eventually turn into a cancer. I hope Intrepid will not back down at all
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    edited June 2021
    Just asking out of ignorance and curiosity, would it be possible to fine people money when they are caught buying, selling, or botting gold? I have nooooo clue how this would work but if intrepid could punch these people back instead of just a ban, I feel it would get rid of a ton of potential gold sellers.

    something like: "If caught buying selling or otherwise cheating you will be agreeing to purchasing our cheater badge that will be automatically charged to your account and sent to your mail address. You will acquire additional cheater badges per infraction." Basically you send them crappy slips of paper with "Cheater Badge" sharpied onto it and then ban their account. Charge per transaction or infraction you find on the account before its ban and boom you are scaring off all of these clowns that have nothing better to do than ruin our game.
    8vf24h7y7lio.jpg
    Commissioned at https://fiverr.com/ravenjuu
  • tautautautau Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Since logging in will require that someone click 'Agree' to the terms and conditions, which include being banned for cheating, I don't think any lesser punishment or warning is appropriate.

    Other games have tried warnings, temporary bans, and all kinds of things and that has never solved the problem. So many of us are decent, honest gamers who work for our advancement and who are sickened by cheaters....and these decent players quit when cheaters prosper. When we quit, revenues go down, so it is in the best interest of IS to keep us, the player base, happy by PermaBans of all gold buyers.

    No Mercy.
  • maouwmaouw Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Just asking out of ignorance and curiosity, would it be possible to fine people money when they are caught buying, selling, or botting gold? I have nooooo clue how this would work but if intrepid could punch these people back instead of just a ban, I feel it would get rid of a ton of potential gold sellers.

    something like: "If caught buying selling or otherwise cheating you will be agreeing to purchasing our cheater badge that will be automatically charged to your account and sent to your mail address. You will acquire additional cheater badges per infraction." Basically you send them crappy slips of paper with "Cheater Badge" sharpied onto it and then ban their account. Charge per transaction or infraction you find on the account before its ban and boom you are scaring off all of these clowns that have nothing better to do than ruin our game.

    I think this gets legally complicated.
    Especially if actions like this cross international borders.
    Would have to ask a proper lawyer tho...
    I wish I were deep and tragic
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Just asking out of ignorance and curiosity, would it be possible to fine people money when they are caught buying, selling, or botting gold? I have nooooo clue how this would work but if intrepid could punch these people back instead of just a ban, I feel it would get rid of a ton of potential gold sellers.

    something like: "If caught buying selling or otherwise cheating you will be agreeing to purchasing our cheater badge that will be automatically charged to your account and sent to your mail address. You will acquire additional cheater badges per infraction." Basically you send them crappy slips of paper with "Cheater Badge" sharpied onto it and then ban their account. Charge per transaction or infraction you find on the account before its ban and boom you are scaring off all of these clowns that have nothing better to do than ruin our game.

    Companies can't do things like this, as they fall under the definition of taxes - and only governments are able to levy taxes in almost every jurisdiction on the planet.

    What a company could do though, is suspend an account and charge a fee to have it unsuspended.

    The problem with this though, is that as soon as someone that wasn't selling or such (or that could convince a large number of people that they weren't) had their account suspended in such a way, it would be irreparably bad PR for the company - it would look like they are arbitrarily suspending player accounts and charging money to allow players access to them again.

    The other problem with this is that someone that is using an account for RMT is likely not using a "real" account, and likely has a temporary credit card of some description attached to it.
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    Alright, just thought I would ask they are doing a ton of damage to the market on tbc classic already so I'm not a fan of going easy on these people.
    8vf24h7y7lio.jpg
    Commissioned at https://fiverr.com/ravenjuu
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Alright, just thought I would ask they are doing a ton of damage to the market on tbc classic already so I'm not a fan of going easy on these people.

    That is probably because Blizzard has a long history of doing basically nothing at all about them.

    They are easily the worst MMO publisher at dealing with such activity.
Sign In or Register to comment.