Divine node mayor monopoly

I've made similar post about economic node and people helped me out and corrected my worries. My worry here is if divine mayor is picked by someone who's done the most service quests, then wouldn't the guy with the most service quest continue to be at the top? unless there's some catch up mechanic, if the guy is going full time service questing.

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daveywavey

If they're going full-time service questing, then they deserve to keep it. If they slack off, the guy right behind them will take it.

Damokles

It could be that every time the mayor is elected the count would go back to zero.
I believe that these service quests are just repeatable dailies or weekly quests.

Lore Dynamic

From the impressions I've been getting, being the Mayor of any node requires a LOT of work and constant maintenance. So, if someone is dedicated enough to the roll, then they probably deserve to keep it. And are likely the best to keep it, because they have so much time and care invested.

But, as others have mentioned, if their dedication begins to decline...well, other devotees will be on standby to pick up the pieces and have a try for themselves. ^_^

yk2232

is there a catch up mechanic? cause i'm sure there's gonna be multiple people going for it, but only one can get it.

daveywavey

I don't suppose we'll know until we see it in action.

Warth

@BVerse hopefully not.

The hardest working player should get it, don't diminish their effort with stupid catch up mechanics.
If other players want to get it, then they should have to work just as hard as the person did who was first in their service quests.

Ventharien

I would assume it isn't a cumulative total, but a per election cycle count.

novercalis

I would think cumulative. because if it resets and there isnt much quests anymore outside of dailies - then we will have multiple ties or someone brand new to the server came in, did all the dailies + the original quests that all the other veterans have already turned in.

Noaani

Ventharien wrote: »

I would assume it isn't a cumulative total, but a per election cycle count.

This is what I would assume as well.

I also wouldn't assume it is all quests from the node that add to this, but only specific tasks

ThePhilosophile

The way I see it there are 3 potential ways that they can go about doing the Divine mayor system and each have their pros and cons:

1. Pure cumulative
Pros: players with the most time invested in a given node should have the most benefit of that node and honest deserve to be top spot.
Cons: first come first serve, the person to first arrive to divine node will likely become defacto leader of the node. this may disincentivize other players from contributing to the node and thus the node will take longer to upgrade. additionally the first arriving players might build up such a lead that they become defacto mayor for months on end.
Possible Fix: make sure that the time investment per day makes it so that it shows that the player who is in charge is actually really dedicated to the node. 4 hours of dailies with a 10 hour long weekly quest seems appropriate, potential through in some player diplomacy type quests so that the top player is incentivized to help other players thus people won't feel as bad that the person who is in charge actually is in charge. Also makes it less likely that players who are assholes will stay in charge because other divine players won't help them. (to be honest, I think this type of time requirement should be baseline to be mayor of any node (except science, cause thats pure democracy))
2. Monthly cumulative (election reset)
Pros: again players who invested the most time into the node for the given node are rewarded, atleast for that month.
Cons: as mentioned if no limitations are put in place after the first month of elections, noobs can potentially take control of the node through doing leveling religious quests. Additionally, players who put alot of effort into upgrading a node during the first month will feel cheated if they are not necessarily rewarded for upgrading it to tier 5 or 6 because they are now busy doing other things.
Possible Fix: After the first month of release. require that players must be max level to be mayor of a node and only experience after reaching max lvl is counted towards an election. I believe this fixes most of those problems with the monthly system.
3. Degrading system
Pros: Players who first arrive to a node will be rewarded, however, unlike with option one, they will still have to invest time to maintain their lead, instead of just building a huge pile of XP and be able to sit on it.
Cons: this actually has the opposite effect of the Pure Cumulative system, in that players who first arrive to the node will not want to build up the node as they know that their experience will degrade over time.
Possible fix: the system itself is a fix, as it makes the node highly competitive as people will compete for those very slight edges in xp.

Personally I'd go with option 3 as long as the time requirement is there, hardcore players will be rewarded, and the degrade system in itself is a catch up mechanic if say a new player after 3 months of grinding will hit the degrade point and become part of the upper echelon of the religion. WoW classic PVP has a similar system (if you discount the botting)

Atama

I think regardless of node type, the mayor of a monopoly should get a skin to look like this guy.

Noaani

ThePhilosophile wrote: »

noobs can potentially take control of the node through doing leveling religious quests.

You are assuming there will be leveling quests that count towards mayor of religious nodes.

That is not a safe assumption to make.

Nagash

Atama wrote: »

I think regardless of node type, the mayor of a monopoly should get a skin to look like this guy.

just give him different types of hats for each node

like a pope hat for divine nodes a full plate helmet for military and a graduation hat for science

Demidreamer

I really hope there aren't traditional "dailies", big ole time sink imo. and for why? I also believe that the system should be cumulative. I would rather have to hunt down whatever quests that are pertinent to religious nodes for credit than doing a boring daily that is most likely over farmed.

Noaani

Demidreamer wrote: »

I really hope there aren't traditional "dailies", big ole time sink imo. and for why? I also believe that the system should be cumulative. I would rather have to hunt down whatever quests that are pertinent to religious nodes for credit than doing a boring daily that is most likely over farmed.

I would be surprised if it were outright dailies, but I would expect it to be repeatable quests/tasks of some form.

What ever it is, it absolutely will be nothing more than a time sink - which is all MMO's are anyway.

Yuquiyu

daveywavey wrote: »

If they're going full-time service questing, then they deserve to keep it. If they slack off, the guy right behind them will take it.

yep i agree with you

ThePhilosophile

@Noaani and if you actually read in my potential fixes, you would see that after the first month of the server going live they could limit it to max level. Of course the first month the mayor should be whatever level because everyone is going to be leveling up. As mentioned in the Wiki "The developers anticipate max level should be attainable in approximately 45 days if you play roughly 4-6 hours per day.[7][8]" unless you are suicidal or no-life it your not reaching max level in the first month.

LieutenantToast

👀 Some great theories in here so far in terms of how the leader of a divine node might best show their dedication and devotion over time!

While this will likely be something we share further details on as we release more information on the divine node type specifically, I might also recommend bringing your original question to an upcoming live stream Q&A session so our team can dive in further in the meantime!

Titwood

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Noaani

ThePhilosophile wrote: »

@Noaani and if you actually read in my potential fixes, you would see that after the first month of the server going live they could limit it to max level. Of course the first month the mayor should be whatever level because everyone is going to be leveling up. As mentioned in the Wiki "The developers anticipate max level should be attainable in approximately 45 days if you play roughly 4-6 hours per day.[7][8]" unless you are suicidal or no-life it your not reaching max level in the first month.

Why limit it to that?

Level is not an inherent requirement of leadership, so why make it one?

The leader of a religious node - at least a level 5 or 6 one - will not be earning that position by themselves. They will have others helping them along with the tasks needed - just as the leader of every other high level node will have (scientific nodes will have entire guilds voting for the same player, economic nodes will have guilds pooling resources in to one player, military nodes will have guilds fighting to keep one player alive).

If a level 30 character has the friends necessary to win a divine nodes leadership competition, more power to them. They didn't do it alone, and so obviously there is a group of people there that think that player is worth following.

If the requirements for node leadership carried over from month to month, it would mean that after a while, the person that had stayed in the node the longest was essentially undesputed king of said node.

It needs to reset at the end of each month.

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