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Game controllers are actually SUPERIOR to keyboard and mouse

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  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Crosim wrote: »
    Come on folks, don't feed the trolls.

    It's hard to tell. I have dealt with these opinions both IRL, and in every MMO I have played that has controller support. Never once met one that did not die every chance they got. XD
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  • Crosim wrote: »
    Come on folks, don't feed the trolls.

    Look man I like punching things and when the metaphorical punching bag walks up to me and screams punch me my only question is, "For how long?"
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  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Crosim wrote: »
    Come on folks, don't feed the trolls.

    Look man I like punching things and when the metaphorical punching bag walks up to me and screams punch me my only question is, "For how long?"

    I would say till the mods come in
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  • BricktopBricktop Member, Alpha Two
    May as well play with no monitor while you are at it.
  • VmanGmanVmanGman Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    This post is comical.
  • Thanks for the laughs! But seriously, don't come in and shout that your preferred method of play is SUPERIOR, and that therefore it should be the only way to play. Just don't.
  • maouwmaouw Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    from my perspective:
    • Joystick > WASD
    • Mouse > Joystick
    • Trigger buttons > Shift/Ctrl/Alt
    • keyboard > X/Y/A/B/Shapes
    • controller ergonomics > keyboard posture issues
    • Joystick press = mouse wheel press
    • 2 button mouse > controller rumble
    • mouse pointer for menus and UI > control pad menus and UI
    • typing in-game on keyboard > virtual keyboard

    TOTALS
    Keyboard + Mouse: 5.5
    Controller: 3.5

    Controller has advantages in some areas (particularly better than WASD, has ergonomics and trigger buttons), but keyboard and mouse are just too powerful overall (mouse is OP, typing in chat, interacting with UI in general)

    Plus, the difference between WASD and a joystick for movement isn't the end of the world. Especially when the mouse provides much more powerful strafing.
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  • mcstackersonmcstackerson Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited November 2020
    You can also get a gaming keypad if you don't want to use WASD. I've never really used mine but i know people who forced themselves to get used to it and prefer it now.

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    Even without this, i think keyboard has the advantage of shift, control, and alt which quadruples the number of buttons you can use.

    I've also been a naga user since the mouse came out.
  • I support game controllers for Ashes to be honest. Controller users are free food on the battlefield.
  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Ehrgeiz wrote: »
    I support game controllers for Ashes to be honest. Controller users are free food on the battlefield.

    Oh we have no problem having them be useable its just the OP said they are SUPERIOR to keyboard and mouse
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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    I support game controllers for AoC simply because there are players who will want to use them.

    But, @Sathrago said it the best:
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    I dont have an issue with controller support, I have an issue with your toxicity.

    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • Lore DynamicLore Dynamic Member, Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »

    Omg, I laughed so hard at this video! I have tears. Thanks @daveywavey for posting it.

    This is an accurate description of console vs. PC for many games. I remember Summit1G commenting about how easy it was to kill Xbox kids in Sea of Thieves for this very reason. Also that; it's easy to tell who is using a control vs. keyboard & mouse based on how they moved & turned and fought. He would dance around them for sport and laughs before inevitably putting them down.


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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »

    Omg, I laughed so hard at this video! I have tears. Thanks @daveywavey for posting it.

    They have loads more, too. Give them all a watch, you'll be laughing all the way through.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Xez wrote: »

    The greatest weakness people seem to overlook about the keyboard is that your WASD MOVEMENT requires 3 to 4 fingers, that leaves only your pinky and thumb free to actually hit any other buttons!

    I use one finger for this, my middle finger. This leaves my pinky for pressing modifier buttons like alt, ctrl and shift as well as z and x, my ring finger for ~ through 2, and my index finger for 3 - 7, as well as e, r, t, y, f, g, h, and that leaves my thumb to get any remaining letters and space.

    The only time this is difficult is if I need to move my character, and also press ctrl+P, while also still using the mouse. Everything else is within easy reach, without needing to look. I will on occasion add in a second finger for controlling if it is needed, but this is rare, as most games allow a good amount of controlling to be done with the mouse, along with controlling the camera.

    I admit my ring finger may be more dexterous than most, but that is just from using it in this manner. Perhaps your reason you think controllers are superior is because you are not very good with a keyboard.
  • akabearakabear Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I used a nostromo in Lineage 2, similar to the naga. It was generally superior to the keyboard for general game play but it could not replace it, more like enhance it. The main shortfall of that and any controller I see from own experience is they take your hands away from the keyboard. And the keyboard is necessary for typing for communication and the mouse so much more intuitive and faster for movement.
  • Actually the action combat might need some degree of precision. Controllers are almost never superior though. Only for a couple exceptions like Dark souls and animal crossing, but most pc games require a mouse and keyboard for any reasonable degree of high level play.

    Until we get some matrix level dive technology I don't think that is likely to change. Nice try I guess though. For a joke anyway I don't think it could be taken as anything else.
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  • CaerylCaeryl Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    You mention gamepad support but then you talk as if you’re speaking of wireless keyboards.

    Console controls by design have less buttons, typically because console games don’t require more than that, or rely on combination button presses for many things that PC players would have a single keybind for. Personally I find dual-button combos awkward, even using a keyboard.

    Besides that, using an MMO mouse offers anywhere from 6 - 18 extra keybinds all available without lifting a finger off WASD. From WSAD most people can also easily reach 1 - 5, Q, R, F, G, Z, X, C, and V. Most can also reach H, B, T, and Y barely leaving the WASD position.

    Ashes isn’t a FPS, but precision does matter. Quick camera shifts are necessary to stay aware of an entire fight. Using a mouse tied to camera motion will always be more accurate and faster than a gamepad can provide.

    In short, console controllers are made for games with much more limited actions than you’ll have in an MMO. That’s why PC developers usually don’t sink a lot of resources into a hardware choice that the game wasn’t really designed for.
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