AFK XP gain, good or bad?

Just as the title states, some MMORPG`s offer certain activities that provide a player with XP while they are not actively playing, such as BDO`s fishing.

Whilst I do enjoy that gain, as it is a mechanic in game, it is not something I would want in game if I had the choice.

So, AFK XP gain, is it something players want or not? (or is it not that simple)
https://strawpoll.com/qcgwxs3y8

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Nerror

No thanks. For several reasons, anything that incentivizes people to go afk instead of logging off, is a bad idea. Server community issues, login queues, electrical bill, climate change, to name the obvious ones.

Vhaeyne

No.

What is it that you enjoy about being rewarded for doing nothing verse being rewarded for being an achiever?

George_Black

Slippery slope

Sathrago

I could see the processing artisans having a "practice" mode they can enter to gain experience by pooring gold down a sink in an afk manner perhaps even crafters... but this would work fine early on in the games life and get worse and worse as it ages due to the gradual increase of the available gold for players. This would make skilling up certain artisans easy for alt characters but idk if that would be a good thing for the health of the game.

daveywavey

"There will not be AFK leveling in Ashes of Creation.[26]

We want this game to be played. If there are things that you can do to not play the game and still progress, we've done something wrong.[26] – Jeffrey Bard"

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Leveling

daveywavey

I think afk levelling is stupid. Why should you get rewarded for not being in-game?!

akabear

@daveywavey thanks.. and there endeth the thread

Atama

I like the “rest” system where you get a certain amount of bonus XP for logging out in a particular location, like your freehold or a town. Lots of MMOs use something like that. For example, for every hour spent in a rest area (online or offline) your next 5% of experience is gained twice as fast.

It’s basically the opposite of XP debt, which we know Ashes will have, and maybe it can also be used to slowly eliminate XP debt?

Khronus

big no from me on this. I always thought this was silly in WOW as it rewarded people (VERY minimally) for not playing the game. It's a thing that is put in place to allow players to "catch up" but I don't feel this is needed. If I for some reason fall behind, I don't want to be given freebies to catch up. I want to experience it like everyone else.

Dygz

daveywavey wrote: »

"There will not be AFK leveling in Ashes of Creation.[26]

We want this game to be played. If there are things that you can do to not play the game and still progress, we've done something wrong.[26] – Jeffrey Bard"

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Leveling

This quote refers to some kind of macro or repetitive action like being logged in and hitting on something or running a horse in a circle (or Atama's example: fishing).

We should not get xp while logged in and afk.
I do like activities that I can do on my mobile device while on the bus or train to work.
IIRC, in NWO, we could do some crafting from mobile devices without being logged into the actual game.
Might be nice if we could schedule caravan runs from mobile devices.
Maybe somehow participate in tavern games.

Whatever it might be should involve some active participation, though.

Xyphien

I honestly don't know why this is something people like, AFK Arena, all mobile games practically, MMO's are starting to do this too even. It doesn't make any sense, you play games to... play games. Why would you want to gain EXP and cheat the system without actually playing it, where's the fun in it, and where's the rewards. If you gain EXP from afking there isn't any actual reward in gaining afk at all as you can just gain it by not doing anything, so why even do anything.

On top of that, as stated, you have people logged on afking which means they're not logged off and taking over someone elses spot on the server. Servers can't hold an infinite amount of people, and as such you need people to log off from time to time it doesn't take too much resources.

IMHO the afk reward mindset is lazy and also stimulates from the everyone gets a trophy mentality which this game is completely against. This game is bringing back the old school, retro feel of MMOs where you have to work on everything for an actual sense of accomplishment after it's all said and done. Not some, here so you're happy we're giving you everything you ever want so you don't feel left out concept.

From what I can tell the closest thing like this that will be in the game will be buffs when you log in from sleeping in a bed, or with your spouse.

daveywavey

Dygz wrote: »

I do like activities that I can do on my mobile device while on the bus or train to work.

Absolutely. I'd class that as being "logged in". You're just logged in via a different platform.

CROW3

No.

Tyranthraxus

Terri-bad idea!

A solid 'no', for launch; Maybe several years in when a lot of the player-base has already ground multiple characters to max-level.

Ravudha

No to AFK XP gain - even with processing (i.e. no queuing massive processing jobs and AFK'ing)

FuryBladeborne

Atama wrote: »

I like the “rest” system where you get a certain amount of bonus XP for logging out in a particular location, like your freehold or a town. Lots of MMOs use something like that. For example, for every hour spent in a rest area (online or offline) your next 5% of experience is gained twice as fast.

It’s basically the opposite of XP debt, which we know Ashes will have, and maybe it can also be used to slowly eliminate XP debt?

Taverns offer rested experience (rested XP) for those who rent rooms or spend time as patrons of the tavern.[1]

Rested experience allows players to gain experience at a faster rate for a period of time.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Rested_experience

There are sleep mechanics that require a crafted bed.[3]
Certain beds will have rested XP benefits. Some bunk-beds will boost the rested XP if two family members are sleeping in the bed at the same time.[4]
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Beds

It looks like the plan is for only way to get rid of corruption is by grinding mobs. Which I think is great because corrupted players cannot essentially avoid the penalty by logging that character and playing another.

Dygz

Rested xp is significantly different than gaining xp while AFK. And healthy.

Atama

FuryBladeborne wrote: »

It looks like the plan is for only way to get rid of corruption is by grinding mobs. Which I think is great because corrupted players cannot essentially avoid the penalty by logging that character and playing another.

I agree. XP debt is one thing, corruption is another.

unphazd

Atama wrote: »

I like the “rest” system where you get a certain amount of bonus XP for logging out in a particular location, like your freehold or a town. Lots of MMOs use something like that. For example, for every hour spent in a rest area (online or offline) your next 5% of experience is gained twice as fast.

It’s basically the opposite of XP debt, which we know Ashes will have, and maybe it can also be used to slowly eliminate XP debt?

Yes a rested EXP bonus is fine but AFK EXP is just a stone age and lazy mechanic.

ThePhilosophile

heres a question to the people in this thread. Do we consider Crafting multiple items (perhaps over the coarse of 10 minutes) an AFK mechanic or an Active mechanic? should crafting reward xp?

Pro: Crafting rewarding XP means that their won't be a lack of items in the early game of the server, and early game items will always be available, and keeps the early game resources value consistent.
Con: could reward a sedentary play style where you could (theoretically) reach max level just through crafting alone which depending on your viewpoint could be a bad thing.

Thoughts?

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