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Poker Texas Hold em and Chess for taverns
George_Black
Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
How would the community feel about gambling for ingame gold in taverns with games like poker and chess?
Are there perhaps legal reasons that something like that can't be implemented in Ashes of Creation?
Personally I always had trouble getting into custom minigames in various mmos, and I think I am not the only person.
Perhaps such an addition will boost the success of taverns and add more to the society of AoC.
Risk v Reward yall xD
Are there perhaps legal reasons that something like that can't be implemented in Ashes of Creation?
Personally I always had trouble getting into custom minigames in various mmos, and I think I am not the only person.
Perhaps such an addition will boost the success of taverns and add more to the society of AoC.
Risk v Reward yall xD
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I do like the idea of being able to gamble in game.
I thought they said something about being able to bet on arena games too?
Could be a good way to make some extra scratch.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
They even have a tutorial
and I still have no idea what the frack I'm doing. xD
It would be cool if every race had its own chess figures - like for the humans we have the standard king, queen, pawn etc. and for like dwarves we have like .. gems and elves like .. magical thingies.
Ohh and a card game like gwent would be fun. With cards that can be randomly dropped by humanoid enemies (and don't go into your inventory but in an extra card menu and if you got cards twice you can trade them)
Maybe I go a little over the top rn lol
Honestly they can just call it "cards" and give us the game.
Boo no funnnn
Sure, if it was a Verran version of poker or chess and not just a copy of real world poker or chess.
lawyers, do we have any lawyers here?
"What is Death Rolling? It's form of WoW gambling where 2 people roll until 1 person rolls a 1, what makes it exciting is that the numbers you get to roll between goes down with each roll.
Use the /roll 1-# command to start
Here's an example game between Bob and Chuck.
Bob: rolls 20 (1-100)
Chuck: rolls 16 (1-20)
Bob: rolls 2 (1-16)
Chuck: rolls 1 (1-2)
So in this example you can see Chuck loses."
I'm sure there will be a /roll function in AoC and if not I'm still sure there will be ways for seedy characters to gather 'round in a tavern and gamble away all their hard earned gold!
I would love to see this as well. It would be interesting to see and fun to play!
Why did you stop? Too much money and not enough time to count it all?
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
People got sick of being poked. He never played cards.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Parlor_games
However, we need to be careful about implementing straight up gambling systems. Legislation is getting iffy.
It would be a shame if some useless legislation were the reason Ashes couldn't implement this, it would remove some fun social interactions and/or make them harder by forcing people who would like to gamble/bet on mini-games to go on Discord servers and risk getting scammed.
While I think I understand the point you are making, I can not leave this comment unchallenged.
Legislation that is designed to not allow for o mi e gambling in a way that is easily accessible to children is not useless legislation.
To actually think it is, is to support children gambling.
However. I haven't seen anything about the age restrictions on Ashes. Anything with gambling would need to be marked as 18+, have a tag everywhere that says "in this game, there is gambling", have a lot of disclaimers and so on.
Now I know all of us here are perfectly adjusted, clear minded adults (sarcasm), but this needs to be taken into account. I don't know if its worth the hassle.
Chess, sure. Other minigames, sure. Betting on arena fights, playing poker or blackjack, even dice.....not sure its worth it.
If, however, I am wrong and there needs to be no extra stress added to add them, fuck yea, let us bet, would be amazing. Betting on arena fights, maybe having team's take a fall, the conflicts that arise for stuff like could fuel a full war. Would be amazing
I'd rather have a more strategy based deception in a gambling card game where you have more strategic options to create bluff situations, rather than just raw bluffing. But that involves a bit more creativity and fine tuning than just importing a bunch of single minded luck based crap from irl. Not sure how worth it it would be to spend IS' limited resources on such a thing even though Steven has frequently expressed strong interest in this. You definitely need a lot of play testing and fine tuning done for even small side games like this to avoid exploits the moment real choices are part of the game.
That's such a crazy logical conclusion you just made, it's quite disturbing. If you came to this conclusion I can imagine how your mind works, sadly it's something common these days, and quite alarming to say the least.
Given your logic, if I'm against alcohol regulation I support alcoholism. Or If I'm against drug regulation I support drug addiction. Or if I'm against mandatory seatbelts I support people dying in car crashes.
Like most people, I hope you have good intentions, but legislation and regulation isn't always the answer. It usually "solves" one problem by creating others. The road to hell is paved with good intentions is what comes to mind.
I'm against children becoming gambling addicts and I'm against laws that forbid games that facilitate gambling, therefore in your logic surely I'm insane, right?
I may be wrong for being against said legislation, it's a possibility, but reaching absurd conclusions like you did can be very worrying, be careful brother.
This is an interesting take.
Very flawed, but interesting.
We have laws in place in almost every country that limits the age in which people can buy alcohol. I think we all agree this is good, and j would happily say that anyone advocating for the removal of those laws is supporting children drinking.
Now, we also have laws against gambling. You can not go in to a casino as a 12 year old and startnplaying roulette.
We mostly all agree that these laws are a good thing as well.
This is the key thing though, for both buying alcohol and gambling, you are required to prove your age.
When talking about online gambling, especially in the context of an MMO, there is no reasonable means to verify your age.
If you are wanting gambling in an online setting where there is jo age verification (a credit card is not age verification), then whether you realize it or not, you are supporting under age gambling. As you yourself say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
The thing here is, no one is saying there can't be online gambling - not even the people that are writing the legislation in question. All the legislation is, when you actually look at it rather than just raging that all legislation and regulation is bad (as seems to be the default setting for many), is a means of identifying the age of participants of online gambling. It is essentially the same thing as giving Casinos a list of acceptable identification documents, and saying only those that can produce these documents to prove their age are allowed to gamble.
Whether you understand it or not, that is what you are raging about. Gamblers online having to prove their age just as gamblers in a casino have to - and you have the gall to then say you are against that but not pro-child gambling?
As for legislation, how exactly do you expect a company - any company - to be legally able to allow one age group of people to do an activity but not another age group, unless there is SPECIFIC legislation to force this?
Without kegislation, this is discrimination.
So, whether you like it or not, legislation is literally the ONLY way to prevent children from gambling online. Without it, companies are literally powerless to stop them.
Statheist is madness, holy shit.
I expect better from you.
I gave reason behind why I arrived at the conclusion that the only way to be even remotely effective at stopping children gambling is to start with legislation. Rather than discussing the points made like an adult, you instead opted to take the fact that we disagree on something, and then accuse me of being the extreme version of the opposite of what your position is.
This is a childish attitude to take (perhaps we have found the reason you seem ok with not having any preventative measures in place to prevent children from gambling). Not only is it childish, but it is the exact reason many people avoid political discussion.
It is so childish, in fact, that I expect your next post to be along the lines of "if you love the state so much, why don't you kiss and marry it?" Honestly, that is the level of the above post.
So, here's the thing, I assume you agree that discrimination is bad. If you don't agree that it is bad, then say so.
Since we are assuming discrimination is bad, this means companies can not discriminate against people. Since allowing one age group access to a product or service and not allowing that same access to another age group is discrimination, without legislation, any company that offers a gambling service would then be required to offer that service to all.
Most western countries have something akin to this as a part of their foundational system - in the US that is the Constitution (virtually all other countries have something similar).
So, if we assume an inability to discriminate against others is a foundational principle, the only way to be able to operate a business that only offers it's service to people of a specific age is if there is legislation that allows for this.
Is there any part of this that you disagree with the facts of?
I'll give you a tl:dr for it if you like.
Discrimination is against the rules.
Letting adults gamble but not children is discrimination.
The only way to make it not discrimination is if there is a rule that says it is not.