Dwarves

I hope the dwarves we can make more muscular and not look like midgets. more of Lord of rings movies or Warhammer MMO even WOWs are good looking dwarves. I really like playing dwarf hopefully will look good or can adjust body sizes to make look the way we want

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Lore Dynamic

I hope there is a slider, to slide Dwarfs right out of existence....

Nagash

Lore Dynamic wrote: »

I hope there is a slider, to slide Dwarfs right out of existence....

you mean tulnar

krakazilla

I think Dwarfs should have similar look like the ones in the witcher or lotr. One head shorter than humans but broader and more stubborn. NOT like Hobbits or goblins

Maciej

I've been looking at videos of Ashes and would like to add my 2 cents here: the problem isn't just that dwarves aren't muscular enough, they are just too small. In the gameplay videos they look like they are 3" feet and a tiny bit tall, they should be 4" and a bit. D&D 5e player's handbook describes dwarves as follows:

> Though they stand well under 5 feet tall, dwarves are so broad and compact that they can weigh as much as a human standing nearly two feet taller.

Old D&D sketch:
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Old Warcraft sketch from Metzen
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If Ashed did nothing but scale the models up by some ~20%, they would automatically become about as wide and tall as they need to be.

daveywavey

Lore Dynamic wrote: »

I hope there is a slider, to slide Dwarfs right out of existence....

Hahahaha, love it

Nagash

krakazilla wrote: »

I think Dwarfs should have similar look like the ones in the witcher or lotr. One head shorter than humans but broader and more stubborn. NOT like Hobbits or goblins

LoTR Dwarfs or Warhammer dwarfs would be perfect in my opinion

krakazilla

Yeah, they look more like gnomes at the moment.

Nagash

krakazilla wrote: »

Yeah, they look more like gnomes at the moment.

yeah, they are a bit on the small side. add another foot and make them thicker

daveywavey

Nagash wrote: »

krakazilla wrote: »

Yeah, they look more like gnomes at the moment.

yeah, they are a bit on the small side. add another foot and make them thicker

You'd need to add another leg too, if you were adding another foot, or they'd look even weirder.

Oh, wait....

Never mind...

Ravudha

Maciej wrote: »

I've been looking at videos of Ashes and would like to add my 2 cents here: the problem isn't just that dwarves aren't muscular enough, they are just too small.

I'd say the bigger problem is that people think one fantasy universe/IP (e.g. D&D, WoW, Tolkien) sets a standard that other fantasy settings need to copy and can't deviate from.

Edit: don't know if there's much that can be done about it though; people like what they like.

AntVictus

subs wrote: »

I hope the dwarves we can make more muscular and not look like midgets. more of Lord of rings movies or Warhammer MMO even WOWs are good looking dwarves. I really like playing dwarf hopefully will look good or can adjust body sizes to make look the way we want

Retail WoW's look ok now, but vanilla - cat (maybe mop) they had hideous faces. Like literally looked really rapey. But definitely agree something more akin to tolkien is needed.

Atama

AntVictus wrote: »

Like literally looked really rapey.

Behague

I think their current look will save them from griefing a bit, no one wants to attack children. But jokes aside, I do hope to see them in game as they are now, and I like your point @Ravudha

Ashes made it their own. In several years or decades, people may look back at this game as the standard.

krakazilla

Well at some piont it becomes just unlogic. if they have 50% of the height of a human and 50% the Mass they could not compete in Fighthing on a Martial level, because they have much less reach much less strenght/ energie they can produce because of the low mass. It is like a man figthing a 10 year old kid.In that case they would need to be powered by magic in some way or form. I personally see the small statue more lika a ristriction for dwarfes to only able to pick a magical class. (If not it breaks the emerson for me, because I think even in Fantasy all caracters should have the same Laws( of physiks for example). It needs to seem logic in that universe and that is why the popular Fantasy/Sci Fi universes are so popular. They seem to have logic and rules that make the story belifeable/not breaking the immersion.

But that is just my opinion. I guess other people like other tings.

daveywavey

Behague wrote: »

no one wants to attack children.

You're not a parent, are you.....

maouw

daveywavey wrote: »

Behague wrote: »

no one wants to attack children.

You're not a parent, are you.....

Look, I understand mice are happy to participate in a bit of cannibalism in desperate times - but it's just not appropriate for humans. Much less elves.
I hope you understand.

Maciej

Ravudha wrote: »

Maciej wrote: »

I've been looking at videos of Ashes and would like to add my 2 cents here: the problem isn't just that dwarves aren't muscular enough, they are just too small.

I'd say the bigger problem is that people think one fantasy universe/IP (e.g. D&D, WoW, Tolkien) sets a standard that other fantasy settings need to copy and can't deviate from.

Edit: don't know if there's much that can be done about it though; people like what they like.

I don't think that's entirely correct.

First of all, it's not true that designers can't deviate from staples at all. Elves, to pick one example, can vary greatly between IPs, D&D elves are smaller and slimmer than humans, while Night Elves in WoW are much taller than humans, with Male Night elves in particular being broad shouldered body builders.

Aside from the actual physical attributes, there is the actual fantasy of what it is being a Dwarf or an Elf. The stereotypical Dwarf isn't a nible thief, it's a short but bulky person that's about as easy to push around as a stone, and is more than capable of going toe to toe with taller races. Someone might imagine a fantasy universe where that is not the case, but Ashes of Creation is not such universe, to quote the wiki:

> Don't be deceived by their stout stature. They're pound for pound the strongest warriors the world has ever known.

The physical appearence of Dunir in game simply fails to live up to the fantasy that the game's own creators set it up to be.

Edit: I reckon that last sentence sounds very negative, so to add some context: aside from the stature and maybe the length of the beards (which is more of a nit-pick), the design of the armor and architecture is on the money. Everything I've seen about the game so far has me mildly optimistic, I only comment here in hopes of making the game better.

Adaegus Wintermight

Khronus wrote: »

Dwarves are kill on sight. Gross.

Better be quick about it. I got a noose with your name on it.

Nagash wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

Dwarves are kill on sight. Gross.

Enslave on sight is better, they build good tombs

Are you trying to speedrun getting decapitated and having your head stuck on a pike outside a grand mountain kingdom?

daveywavey wrote: »

Lore Dynamic wrote: »

I hope there is a slider, to slide Dwarfs right out of existence....

Hahahaha, love it

Got some steel chains and a wrought iron pirosn cell in that mountain kingdom I spoke of just for you.

Maciej wrote: »

Someone might imagine a fantasy universe where that is not the case, but Ashes of Creation is not such universe, to quote the wiki:

> Don't be deceived by their stout stature. They're pound for pound the strongest warriors the world has ever known. .

Damned straight!

Nagash

Adaegus Wintermight wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

Dwarves are kill on sight. Gross.

Enslave on sight is better, they build good tombs

Are you trying to speedrun getting decapitated and having your head stuck on a pike outside a grand mountain kingdom?

Is that a threat stunting

Adaegus Wintermight

Nagash wrote: »

Adaegus Wintermight wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

Dwarves are kill on sight. Gross.

Enslave on sight is better, they build good tombs

Are you trying to speedrun getting decapitated and having your head stuck on a pike outside a grand mountain kingdom?

Is that a threat stunting

That's the funny thing about the undead. They always lose. And you'll be no exception.

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