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ashoneashone Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
I really dislike how my question was classified as spam and deleted

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  • ashoneashone Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    You broke my heart.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    I'm sure this message will get straight to them and they'll apologise as soon as they can.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • ashoneashone Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I doubt it highly but at least now. they are aware. I am aggro ed at them atm.
  • LieutenantToastLieutenantToast Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Hi there friend! Our moderation team received a multitude of reports throughout the weekend that there were identical messages being posted in the Q&A thread, and the exact duplicates were removed accordingly :smiley: as much as possible we like to encourage that folks share their unique questions in the thread, so we can get the chance to answer a variety of them! If you like a particular question and would like to see us answer it, please feel free to use that lovely "Like" button under any post!

    Please keep in mind that we choose the questions for the stream randomly each month, rather than being based on how many likes or different iterations of the same question there are - that way more folks feel like they have an opportunity to get their questions answered, and it's more fair to everyone in the community! <3
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  • DargronDargron Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    ashone wrote: »
    I really dislike how my question was classified as spam and deleted

    Be honest. It wasn't your question at all, was it?

    If your question was classified as spam and deleted, it probably means you were one of the many, many Jahlon zombies who were just copy/pasting his question and trying to bully the developers into giving his question priority over all others by spamming the thread with it.

    If you are angry, try to think about all the other people in the thread who are trying to get their questions answered, and how they feel about having their questions buried in a sea of spam.
  • KhronusKhronus Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited January 2021
    ashone wrote: »
    I really dislike how my question was classified as spam and deleted

    If you really think about it, your spam was burned into ashes to allow others to form a new creation.....from those ashes. Get it?
  • EloElo Member, Alpha Two
    edited January 2021
    So how about they just answer the question, problem solved. (on stream or off stream, either way is fine)

    I will kindly say that the following seems a bit contradictory: :)
    If you like a particular question and would like to see us answer it, please feel free to use that lovely "Like" button under any post!

    Please keep in mind that we choose the questions for the stream randomly each month, rather than being based on how many likes

  • Taleof2CitiesTaleof2Cities Member, Alpha Two
    Elo wrote: »
    So how about they just answer the question, problem solved. (on stream or off stream, either way is fine)

    I will kindly say that the following seems a bit contradictory: :)
    If you like a particular question and would like to see us answer it, please feel free to use that lovely "Like" button under any post!

    Please keep in mind that we choose the questions for the stream randomly each month, rather than being based on how many likes

    Giving the devs an ultimatum is different than "just answering the question" ... especially when the timeline for the question is measured in years.
  • JamationJamation Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Elo wrote: »
    So how about they just answer the question, problem solved. (on stream or off stream, either way is fine)

    I will kindly say that the following seems a bit contradictory: :)

    Because it sets a terrible precedent, promoting that if enough people spam a question it'll have to be answered.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Now I'm curious, what was 'the question'?
  • unknownsystemerrorunknownsystemerror Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Something, something, 50k people too many, something, something. @Noaani
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Something, something, 50k people too many, something, something. Noaani

    Ah thanks.

    That seems to me to be near the definition of a question that can't be answered for at least a few years.

    So yeah, Intrepid attempting to answer that question now would set the precedent that they can be bullied in to answering questions, and even then, the most one could hope for in terms of an answer would be "we have to see how things go".
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Elo wrote: »
    I will kindly say that the following seems a bit contradictory: :)
    If you like a particular question and would like to see us answer it, please feel free to use that lovely "Like" button under any post!

    Please keep in mind that we choose the questions for the stream randomly each month, rather than being based on how many likes

    So, they have an impartial method of selecting questions for the stream. But, they still find it useful from a player-feedback perspective to see where the community's sense of urgency lies.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • maouwmaouw Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    It's not like Toast isn't going to answer the question.
    She always compiles a list of replies to nearly every question in the QnA - whether or not they get answered on stream. And I'll bet she'll have an answer for this question too!

    As for the "contradiction" about pressing "like" - liking questions DOES help Toast know which questions the community are particularly interested in for when she compiles her answers. She's just not guaranteeing that it will make it on stream.

    Are you actually interested in answers or is it more about getting the question on to stream?
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  • MorekMorek Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    The question in question (haha) was "How are you going to support 50,000 registered accounts on a server when only 10,000 can be logged into said server at once.... especially during peak times when everyone is trying to get on?"
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Morek wrote: »
    The question in question (haha) was "How are you going to support 50,000 registered accounts on a server when only 10,000 can be logged into said server at once.... especially during peak times when everyone is trying to get on?"

    There is never a time when everyone is trying to get on.

    Since Intrepid have staff that have actually worked on MMO's, and likely understand when people log in to games better than us players do, we should maybe just make the assumption that they know what they are doing here.
  • SoggyBandaidSoggyBandaid Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    TBH I'm really happy I came to the forum late and all the duplicates were cleaned up, but I can also see how simply disregarding them as spam would be disheartening. I am really thankful for Toast taking the time to answer soooooo many (all?) questions after the livestream, but if questions are chosen randomly, and everyone wants to use their one question to ask the exact same thing Jahlon, shouldn't they be allowed to stack the deck in their favor? I mean if there were dozens of people interested in hearing the answer to his question, and only I care about my sad little question on page 6ish buried in the forum, it makes sense to answer the "Jahlon zombies" doesn't it? Total credit to @dargron for giving the group the name.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    but if questions are chosen randomly, and everyone wants to use their one question to ask the exact same thing Jahlon, shouldn't they be allowed to stack the deck in their favor? I mean if there were dozens of people interested in hearing the answer to his question, and only I care about my sad little question on page 6ish buried in the forum, it makes sense to answer the "Jahlon zombies" doesn't it?

    No. He's no more important than the rest of us, just cos he can regurgitate anything that Intrepid tell us. And do you really think Toast is going to copy down every single occurrence of the same question, or do you think she'll just treat them all as one single question for the purposes of the random questioning? All they were doing was needlessly and maliciously spamming the thread.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    I mean if there were dozens of people interested in hearing the answer to his question, and only I care about my sad little question on page 6ish buried in the forum, it makes sense to answer the "Jahlon zombies" doesn't it?
    The questions that make the most sense to answer are the ones thatfit the following two criteria.

    1, is not a question already answered and easily looked up either on these forums or the wiki, and
    2, is a question they have an answer for that they are reasonably confident in.

    If a question doesn't fit these two criteria, it doesn't matter who wants an answer, it isn't worth spending the time to answer when that time could instead be spent answering a question that fits the above criteria.
  • SoggyBandaidSoggyBandaid Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    No. He's no more important than the rest of us, just cos he can regurgitate anything that Intrepid tell us. And do you really think Toast is going to copy down every single occurrence of the same question, or do you think she'll just treat them all as one single question for the purposes of the random questioning? All they were doing was needlessly and maliciously spamming the thread.
    I definitely agree that Jahlon is no more important than anyone else, but I'm not sure if I agree that whatever collective banded together to support his case should be ignored as spam. For what it's worth, I thought the question was one I'd like answered, but TBH I have no idea how Toast and the rest of the team picks questions. It could be a D&D style dice roll for all I know.
    Noaani wrote: »
    The questions that make the most sense to answer are the ones thatfit the following two criteria.

    1, is not a question already answered and easily looked up either on these forums or the wiki, and
    2, is a question they have an answer for that they are reasonably confident in.

    If a question doesn't fit these two criteria, it doesn't matter who wants an answer, it isn't worth spending the time to answer when that time could instead be spent answering a question that fits the above criteria.

    I 100% agree with you @Noaani it makes no sense to select questions that are already answered or cannot be answered at this time. I'm just saying if the questions are truly chosen randomly from the list of all possible questions, the zombie tactic makes sense. Whatever the case, I'm happy that the odds of my question about character names has a better shot at being answered now!
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    I definitely agree that Jahlon is no more important than anyone else, but I'm not sure if I agree that whatever collective banded together to support his case should be ignored as spam.

    So, stick a 'Like' on the question and leave it at that. Don't flood the Q&A section with duplicates.

    I know Toast said "Please only post ONE question below", but they took it rather too literally...!
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • McMackMuckMcMackMuck Member
    edited January 2021
    daveywavey wrote: »
    I definitely agree that Jahlon is no more important than anyone else, but I'm not sure if I agree that whatever collective banded together to support his case should be ignored as spam.

    So, stick a 'Like' on the question and leave it at that. Don't flood the Q&A section with duplicates.

    I know Toast said "Please only post ONE question below", but they took it rather too literally...!

    Unfortunately it has already been stated that the "like" count does nothing. If the moderators want change the rules into a question voting system then they just need to let us know in advance. Then I'll decide if I can find a better question than mine before using my vote.
    I'm amazed by the anger from people who appear to not like a group of individuals thinking that Jahlon had a very good point that they would like to hear answered.

    [General audience, not specifically Daveywavey]
    I can agree to to disagree with someone politely and respectfully. I hope that this is a standard we can all adhere to.
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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    McMackMuck wrote: »
    I'm amazed by the anger from people who appear to not like a group of individuals thinking that Jahlon had a very good point that they would like to hear answered.

    We're not against the question. It was a reasonable enough question. We're simply against the strong-arm tactics of trying to force it above everybody else, and the spamming of what is already a very busy forum thread.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • EloElo Member, Alpha Two
    I'm sure all question-askers have the best of intentions. They love the vision of the game and express concerns because they want it to succeed.

    I think the real issue is in turning the question asking into a contest. My opinion/advice for IS: in the future just scan through and select those questions which you feel will be the most meaningful or significant for the most people, or insightful questions that jump out at you. No need to make it random. I'm sure you can also anticipate lots of questions/answers that people would like to know.

    Just my opinion, keep up the good work!
  • Taleof2CitiesTaleof2Cities Member, Alpha Two
    edited January 2021
    daveywavey wrote: »
    McMackMuck wrote: »
    I'm amazed by the anger from people who appear to not like a group of individuals thinking that Jahlon had a very good point that they would like to hear answered.

    We're not against the question. It was a reasonable enough question. We're simply against the strong-arm tactics of trying to force it above everybody else, and the spamming of what is already a very busy forum thread.

    Exactly, @daveywavey.

    Asking a good question is one thing.

    Holding the devs and community managers hostage until it's answered is another.

    Now ... how do I join the "Jahlon's Zombies" faction again?? ;)
  • palabanapalabana Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    You want to "exploit" or game the system, feel free to do so. Doesn't mean they'll take a liking to it.
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