My predictions on AoC

The mmo players from the 90’s and the “immersion elitists” are going to kill this game. “Animations don’t seem realistic” “spells are too much”. Boring bland combat will kill this game before it even arrives. Pantheon to me has old boring bland combat and there is no real hype for that game. I’m playing a fantasy game with elves dwarves orcs and dragons and things of that nature, if my character isn’t doing some legolas killing an elephont type stuff then it’s going to kill my immersion. Some of you guys and gals who come on her complaining about literal pre alpha and place holder affects are pushing people away from this game!! Whatever happened to letting the artist create art and people enjoying it? Too many people want to hold the artists hand while he paints... if you want to do that then become an artist or wait till atleast alpha starts my gosh.

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Hynu

Each to their own dude, your opinion is no more valid than another's and everyone is entitled to one...

Wandering Mist

You can absolutely have interesting and engaging combat without over the top animations, so I'm not exactly sure what you're going with here.

Cypher

Daedrik45 wrote: »

The mmo players from the 90’s and the “immersion elitists” are going to kill this game. “Animations don’t seem realistic” “spells are too much”. Boring bland combat will kill this game before it even arrives.

Hey there buster, you’re not quite right on these assumptions.

- I started playing MMOs in like 2010 or 2011
- I like the combat in Black Desert (not boring or bland at all, very action packed)
- I still think the animations on nearly every skill we’ve seen so far is way over the top and too much in general, let alone for a low level skill. Also need more skills that don’t root the character in place during a long animation while casting, wouldn’t you agree by your own logic?

Entire point of including us on the pre-alpha testing, class showcases, etc is to get player feedback on things as early as possible. So people can and will express their opinions, and it seems most players, regardless of when they started playing MMOs, are agreeing on the animations.

🙂

Kearavain

It is too early to tell. Likewise, to comment on in-progress game elements is silly; we do not have the developers' knowledge, understanding, and expertise. Watch this video to make my point:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=I9ficvPdpZg

One point I do feel you hit on the head is the community. The "old guard" needs to be willing to experience change and not get stuck in the conventions of what they believe should be.

PlagueMonk

Wandering Mist wrote: »

You can absolutely have interesting and engaging combat without over the top animations, so I'm not exactly sure what you're going with here.

I'm also not quite sure of the OPs direction BUT I was following Pantheon for a time and agree with the assessment it looked boring. I watched them kill mobs for 10 mins and was ready to move on.

Now if the intention was to draw a line between Pantheon and AoC, I completely disagree. AoCs combat looks engaging and interesting even at this stage in development. It can only get better as they tune and refine.

Maezriel

There needs to be a balance between over-the-top and grounded animations and at the moment I think most of us agree that we're closer to a circus act than anything else.

arsnn

Daedrik45 wrote: »

Some of you guys and gals who come on her complaining about literal pre alpha and place holder affects are pushing people away from this game!! Whatever happened to letting the artist create art and people enjoying it? Too many people want to hold the artists hand while he paints... if you want to do that then become an artist or wait till atleast alpha starts my gosh.

Intrepid consciously chose the route of open development, so that they can have input from players. As of now some major features got reworked because of player feedback, such as the action bar combat.
I hope they will listen to the current feedback as well, as i think it´s legimitate.

arsnn

Cypher wrote: »

Daedrik45 wrote: »

The mmo players from the 90’s and the “immersion elitists” are going to kill this game. “Animations don’t seem realistic” “spells are too much”. Boring bland combat will kill this game before it even arrives.

Hey there buster, you’re not quite right on these assumptions.

- I started playing MMOs in like 2010 or 2011
- I like the combat in Black Desert (not boring or bland at all, very action packed)
- I still think the animations on nearly every skill we’ve seen so far is way over the top and too much in general, let alone for a low level skill. Also need more skills that don’t root the character in place during a long animation while casting, wouldn’t you agree by your own logic?

Entire point of including us on the pre-alpha testing, class showcases, etc is to get player feedback on things as early as possible. So people can and will express their opinions, and it seems most players, regardless of when they started playing MMOs, are agreeing on the animations.

🙂

I disagree. Looking at neutral sources such as Youtubers, r/MMORPG and even this forum i see overwhelmingly concerns voiced. The only overwhelming positive place seems to be Intrepid´s YT channel and maybe the english part of the ashes discord.

That aside if you compare ashes current stage of combat it does not come close to anything that was released in the last 10 years in the MMO genre, which is indeed a bit concerning as Intrepid is 4 years into development. Steven always emphasizes he wants to push the boundaries, the core gameplay loop should be at that center of that and have gotten more attention by now.
But it´s nice to some real good progress compared to the last itteration! I applaud that.

Mabye Intrepid should make a discussion round about this topic, but it seems that format got hijacked as community retention marketing tool.

Wandering Mist

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Wandering Mist wrote: »

You can absolutely have interesting and engaging combat without over the top animations, so I'm not exactly sure what you're going with here.

I'm also not quite sure of the OPs direction BUT I was following Pantheon for a time and agree with the assessment it looked boring. I watched them kill mobs for 10 mins and was ready to move on.

Now if the intention was to draw a line between Pantheon and AoC, I completely disagree. AoCs combat looks engaging and interesting even at this stage in development. It can only get better as they tune and refine.

You know, thinking about it a bit more I believe that some people maybe put too much emphasis on the combat. Yes combat is important as you do a lot of it in an mmorpg, but to me, the main draw of an mmorpg isn't the combat, it's the world building and social interaction. That is where an mmorpg needs to truly shine. If you want super amazing spectacular combat, go play something like Devil May Cry 5 or Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order. A pure single player game just has so many more options when it comes to combat than an mmorpg does.

WhitneyHagasMatsumoto

I believe that many of the critical opinions about animations and other media stem from physiological discomfort, like the uncanny valley.

Of course, Ashes is a game, but the graphics are much closer to reality.
For this reason, even though it is a fictional story set in a fantasy world, I think we may be looking for a certain amount of "realistic movement.

However, I know that what we are currently seeing is not the finished product, and the feeling we get from actual gameplay may be different, so I personally think it would be better to play the alpha version myself before I formulate my thoughts.

Too much heated discussion may lead to a loss of motivation for creators ...... :'(

Maezriel

WhitneyHagasMatsumoto wrote: »

I believe that many of the critical opinions about animations and other media stem from physiological discomfort, like the uncanny valley.

Of course, Ashes is a game, but the graphics are much closer to reality.
For this reason, even though it is a fictional story set in a fantasy world, I think we may be looking for a certain amount of "realistic movement.

However, I know that what we are currently seeing is not the finished product, and the feeling we get from actual gameplay may be different, so I personally think it would be better to play the alpha version myself before I formulate my thoughts.

Too much heated discussion may lead to a loss of motivation for creators ...... :'(

It might also be the fact that WoW (the primary Western MMO) is far more grounded than we've seen Ashes been and it might be throwing people off.

Noaani

So, I read the OP, I couldn't find the prediction.

Sathrago

Noaani wrote: »

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Strangeape

For what it's worth, i'll add my 2 cents.

I do think that the mage i think is rising too often in the air for no reason. Personnal opinion so who really cares.

As to OP's post, he seems to think that people are commenting too much on the combat anomations and such. That being said, who really cares. The BIGGEST draw of Ashes for me is that the dev seem to put an huge emphasis on community interactions. The one thing that killed WoW for me was the dungeon finder and raid finder. It killed the server communities. After a few weeks, people would join groups and not talk. I remember the rivalry my horde guild had with that one alliance guild, soldiers of light. There was this constant competition on server first between them and our guild. the instant pvp when we saw each others and, from time to time, we'd goof off with each other. That's what i think Ashes is trying to bring back which is why i invested in the game as much as i did.

I love the dev's vision in that regard and i don't see that changing as i think it's a the core of what they hoping for.

Lycancoffee

We all need to get into the combat system and spend some real time killing each other if we’re going to have any sort of meaningful feedback about the combat in the game.

I can’t count how many devs were surprised how fast we dug into all the combat system flaws once they finally gave it to the players. Landmark, Wildstar, ESO, Age of Conan, Darkfall, Warhammer Online. Devs were like “our combat is awesome!” but then we got a hold of it and were like “Ok, but did you know we can do...THIS!”

Mushin

Yeah but why does the mage need to jump and do flippy flippy twirl to shoot a fireball. I believe most people do not like the animations because it just looks goofy. Most casual followers commenting on other site are saying the combat looks like ESO which is not a good thing. I agree with you, I want my character to do some wild and cool looking stuff. What it is now is a larper pretending at the renaissance fair

Sathrago

Lycancoffee wrote: »

We all need to get into the combat system and spend some real time killing each other if we’re going to have any sort of meaningful feedback about the combat in the game.

I can’t count how many devs were surprised how fast we dug into all the combat system flaws once they finally gave it to the players. Landmark, Wildstar, ESO, Age of Conan, Darkfall, Warhammer Online. Devs were like “our combat is awesome!” but then we got a hold of it and were like “Ok, but did you know we can do...THIS!”

that's a fair point, but we are years from actually being able to have access to the game ourselves, so we can only take what we are given and infer with the understanding that this is a work in progress. These are not placeholders, they are the foundation/roughdraft that intrepid are starting with. This means that this is our best opportunity to critique and help fine-tune things that feel, and look off about the animations, effects, and mechanics.

Merek

Giving harsh criticism earlier is better, it stops developers becoming complacent. If this game wants a chance to really change the western MMO market, is has to be above expectations. However, my expectation is that it won't. I don't feel comfortable at all with current things they've shown. There is nothing on display that sets AoC apart from any of the previous "game changer" western MMO's. Nothing shown, anyway.

Noaani

Sathrago wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

So, I read the OP, I couldn't find the prediction.

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Something about that just creeps me out a little.

Daedrik45

My point is.. you either want to be Gandalf from LOTR or Gandalf from The hobbit trilogy.. one only melle’s the other actually casts spells... lol I really just want people to relax and wait for alpha

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