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Create some sort of event/deal to purchase at least one cosmetic pack from previous months

As someone who just learned about the cosmetic packs a few weeks ago, I'm bummed that I don't have access to two years worth of previous packs, some of which were totally up my alley. I understand the importance of exclusivity and I actually do support it. I'm not saying to open access to all of them, but maybe create some sort of special that would offer the opportunity to claim one or two packs from previous months. I.E. If you purchase the Voyager Plus Pack ($375) you will be given the opportunity to purchase any two cosmetic packs of your choosing from previous months. Have the offer available for 30 days and give a 30 day notice prior to the event that this will be a thing. I don't know, there are various ways this can be done but personally I would be stoked if something like this was offered at some point.

I'm aware Steven has stated each pack will not be available again after it has expired, but I don't think this idea is too far-fetched. What do you guys think?

Comments

  • Song_WardenSong_Warden Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    I don't like to run into people that look the same as me (if i can help it). I assume we're a small pool of people at the moment, and, even less of the small pool have all cosmetics. I do not think past cosmetics should be reinstated. I assume the small pool of people will be in different time zones and servers.
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack
    edited February 2021
    I see issues like this as being a weighted decision.

    On one hand, you have people that want things that were sold previously.

    On the other hand you have the fact that Intrepid said they would never be offered up for sale again.

    To me, Intrepid keeping their word is more important than people getting cosmetics that they missed out on. If they go against what they have said in the past in regards to their only income stream, what reason do we have to believe anything they ever say?
  • KhronusKhronus Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    I have to disagree. I like the idea that I will see people with cosmetics that I will never own. I don't have the urge to buy them because I know they aren't available and I will have some cosmetics that nobody else can get. It makes what I do have unique.

    I hate the feeling that I need to collect all the pieces (cause I am weird and definitely get that feeling). You should see my OCD with pokemon (recently got ultra sun/moon to play with the kids/wife.....I'm collecting so many for no damn reason!).
  • Noaani wrote: »
    To me, Intrepid keeping their word is more important than people getting cosmetics that they missed out on.

    Yeah, there are some cosmetics that I'd have liked to have had access to, but the fact they said they won't ever be available again means that can't be possible.
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  • Neurath wrote: »
    I don't like to run into people that look the same as me (if i can help it). I assume we're a small pool of people at the moment, and, even less of the small pool have all cosmetics. I do not think past cosmetics should be reinstated. I assume the small pool of people will be in different time zones and servers.

    Who doesn't want to be unique? I think most of us would prefer not to look like everyone else. I really don't think that an offer like this would ruin the exclusivity of these items, especially if you only gain access to one or two packs (out of what, 25 or so now?) of your choosing. Not to mention we'll likely have two more years worth of packs offered before release, so the variety of skins at launch should be plentiful. If anything I think players who learned about these exclusive packs a bit late would appreciate it, myself included. It also might generate incentive for those players on the fence about purchasing the Voyager Plus pack.
  • won't happen

    they sold them under the promise that they won't ever be sold again.

    Going bad on that isn't worth the lashback nor tge hit their credibility would take.

    /Thread
  • VolgaireVolgaire Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    As much as I'd like some stuff from the older ones I know I won't, the stuff they will release in the future when the game goes live will not be any worse I'd say.
  • Song_WardenSong_Warden Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    edited February 2021
    Adhonis wrote: »
    Who doesn't want to be unique? I think most of us would prefer not to look like everyone else. I really don't think that an offer like this would ruin the exclusivity of these items, especially if you only gain access to one or two packs (out of what, 25 or so now?) of your choosing. Not to mention we'll likely have two more years worth of packs offered before release, so the variety of skins at launch should be plentiful. If anything I think players who learned about these exclusive packs a bit late would appreciate it, myself included. It also might generate incentive for those players on the fence about purchasing the Voyager Plus pack.

    Its not the skins I want. Its A1 Access, Lifetime Sub and a forum title to be re-offered. This will never happen though. Perhaps I won't even play the game for the lifespan anyway. Perhaps I'm better off in my current position. I'm not sure what Cosmetics you are after, but, better concept art has been coming out recently (Don't know if it translates to better cosmetics)((When I saw the Plague Doctor Costume on a Stream it looked really naff)).
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  • bloodprophetbloodprophet Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One


    To me, Intrepid keeping their word is more important than people getting cosmetics that they missed out on. If they go against what they have said in the past in regards to their only income stream, what reason do we have to believe anything they ever say?[/quote]

    If they go back on this. Whats next P2W? Keeping their word is FAR to important for something so small.
    Most people never listen. They are just waiting on you to quit making noise so they can.
  • NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    Intrepid should definitely keep their word and not resell old cosmetics. Trust is worth a lot more than any extra sales. However, going forward with future cosmetic packs, they can do whatever they want, and I would really like for them to change their stance on this. I really don't want to go into that whole debate again, but I genuinely believe the current system will hurt the game long term.
  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    edited February 2021
    Warth wrote: »
    won't happen

    they sold them under the promise that they won't ever be sold again.

    Going bad on that isn't worth the lashback nor tge hit their credibility would take.

    /Thread
    This, exactly. Sorry, you might as well complain that you don’t want to pay any money for the game; it’s that unrealistic to ask for this. Intrepid said the cosmetics were one-time purchases so it would be fraudulent to offer them again. It’s crazy to ask them to come back.
     
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  • Like you I missed out on some awesome stuff I would love to buy, 1 set in particular. However, as much as it pains me to not get what I want... the company made a statement that these set would not be sold again. I prefer they keep their word. That gives me confidence in any future statements that they may make, even if I miss out on that one cool set.
  • LinikerLiniker Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
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  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    No. It would be Intrepid opening the door to broken promises.
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    If I had more time, I would write a shorter post.
  • AdhonisAdhonis Member
    edited February 2021
    Well then... seems like I'm alone on this. Fair enough.

    Edit - I'm curious. How many of you who are against the idea managed to purchase the cosmetics you wanted? It's easier to say "Nah, shouldn't do it" when you didn't miss out on the past 25 releases.
  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    edited February 2021
    Adhonis wrote: »
    Edit - I'm curious. How many of you who are against the idea managed to purchase the cosmetics you wanted? It's easier to say "Nah, shouldn't do it" when you didn't miss out on the past 25 releases.

    I got here July 2020. There are a ton of cool things I can't have. I would rather have a company that keeps its word about sales polices than one that changes its mind to make a little extra money.
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    If I had more time, I would write a shorter post.
  • Vhaeyne wrote: »
    Adhonis wrote: »
    Edit - I'm curious. How many of you who are against the idea managed to purchase the cosmetics you wanted? It's easier to say "Nah, shouldn't do it" when you didn't miss out on the past 25 releases.

    I got here July 2020. There are a ton of cool things I can't have. I would rather have a company that keeps its word about sales polices than one that changes its mind to make a little extra money.

    Integrity is important. I get it. I think what I proposed is a good way to allow players to have a chance at purchasing these exclusive items in a fashion that does not damage Intrepid's reputation or violate trust, in comparison to say... implementing these items in the cash shop after launch. Those are two vastly different things.

    If they did in fact do something like this (rewarding players who purchase the $375 pack with access to a single cosmetic pack from previous months) would anyone seriously complain? Would you really feel betrayed or lied to? It's 1, out of what will likely be 50 before the launch of the game. I understand your concern - it's the principle. I get it. I simply don't think if it were offered that it should be taken as a sign of bad things to come... a bit dramatic if you ask me.
  • bloodprophetbloodprophet Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    Bit dramatic to think they should forsake integrity at any point.
    If someone betrays your trust and lies to you do you continue to trust them to do the right thing next time.
    Personally a liar is a liar and yes it would cause a great rift in the community. End of the world stuff no but when everything you have built from kickstarter till now is based on trust. What is worth breaking that trust for? Once trust is gone they will never get it back.
    Most people never listen. They are just waiting on you to quit making noise so they can.
  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    edited February 2021
    @Adhonis I would seriously complain, and feel both betrayed and lied to.

    Any amount is too much. In this case the principle is extremely important. If you get that integrity is important. Than the issue should be closed.

    This is coming from an man who would love to have this thing and will never have it.
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    I would rather know that a single game company in this messed up industry we deal with can keep its word than mount that thing a single time.
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    If I had more time, I would write a shorter post.
  • Vhaeyne wrote: »
    @Adhonis I would seriously complain, and feel both betrayed and lied to.

    Any amount is too much. In this case the principle is extremely important. If you get that integrity is important. Than the issue should be closed.

    This is coming from an man who would love to have this thing and will never have it.
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    I would rather know that a single game company in this messed up industry we deal with can keep its word than mount that thing a single time.

    Fair enough. I can respect that.
  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    Adhonis wrote: »
    Well then... seems like I'm alone on this. Fair enough.

    Edit - I'm curious. How many of you who are against the idea managed to purchase the cosmetics you wanted? It's easier to say "Nah, shouldn't do it" when you didn't miss out on the past 25 releases.

    I got a lot of cosmetics, I probably missed out on some that I’d have liked to get. But no big deal; they’re always putting out new stuff. And odds are you’ll be able to get a very similar look later if you want, though it might be a different color.

    I also pledged to Braver in KS because Intrepid said it was the only time you can get a lifetime subscription. I felt pressured to get it then, and I did. They lied and sold it again in the Summer crowdfunding event. I’d rather that Intrepid not make it a habit of lying to their customers and community, and that it was a mistake they don’t repeat. I’m sorry you feel differently.
     
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  • Atama wrote: »
    And odds are you’ll be able to get a very similar look later if you want, though it might be a different color.

    I believe Steven stated this will not be the case. iirc, he said there will not be similar releases with slight differences, such as colors, available to the players. However, we may see them as NPC's.

  • WhitneyHagasMatsumotoWhitneyHagasMatsumoto Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    Please forgive me if I say things that may hurt you in the future.
    It seems to me that your idea of what you would consider "the good of the players as a whole" is ultimately based on your desire to obtain items that you could not get.
    I just found out about this game a couple of weeks ago, and was saddened that I couldn't get many of the attractive skins.
    but I tried to think positively that more attractive skins might be available for purchase in the future.

    If your suggestion is taken into account, what will happen to the first person who paid 375$?

    To address the first person, if at any point the person who paid 375$ also gets the skins for the months before and after, Intrepid Studios' revenue will be reduced.
    This is because they have to offer more items for the same amount of money.

    And skins would become less rare, which would frustrate many players.

    Instead of looking at the skins of the past and feeling sorry for yourself, have faith in the possibility that more skins of your choice will be offered in the future!

    There is also a thread on this forum where you can upload images of your favorite armor.
    If you upload a picture of your favorite design there, maybe Intrepid Studios will grant you your wish ;)
  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    Adhonis wrote: »
    Atama wrote: »
    And odds are you’ll be able to get a very similar look later if you want, though it might be a different color.

    I believe Steven stated this will not be the case. iirc, he said there will not be similar releases with slight differences, such as colors, available to the players. However, we may see them as NPC's.

    This is true, I guess this was a common misconception in the past but I see there has been a clarification about this (on Ashes 101). Honestly that’s for the best, so that exclusive items are truly exclusive.
     
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  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    I want to add, if Intrepid releases some cosmetics in the future that aren’t exclusive, and will return again or become available in-game, I’m totally cool with that. As long as they make that clear it’s all good. I don’t care that everything is exclusive; I only care that they follow through on what they promise. I’m just not okay with stating that something is exclusive and then releasing it again later, after you already sold it to a bunch of people with a false promise.
     
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  • Please, no.

    Is there older stuff I wish I had? Yes. But I like the promise of not selling selling them again better

    Way back, I saw the Kickstarter and said to myself that it was too much for something years out. I was kicking myself later.
  • Please forgive me if I say things that may hurt you in the future.
    It seems to me that your idea of what you would consider "the good of the players as a whole" is ultimately based on your desire to obtain items that you could not get.
    I just found out about this game a couple of weeks ago, and was saddened that I couldn't get many of the attractive skins.
    but I tried to think positively that more attractive skins might be available for purchase in the future.

    If your suggestion is taken into account, what will happen to the first person who paid 375$?

    To address the first person, if at any point the person who paid 375$ also gets the skins for the months before and after, Intrepid Studios' revenue will be reduced.
    This is because they have to offer more items for the same amount of money.

    And skins would become less rare, which would frustrate many players.

    Instead of looking at the skins of the past and feeling sorry for yourself, have faith in the possibility that more skins of your choice will be offered in the future!

    There is also a thread on this forum where you can upload images of your favorite armor.
    If you upload a picture of your favorite design there, maybe Intrepid Studios will grant you your wish ;)

    No worries at all, no offense taken. I much prefer a response such as this rather than the completely useless "No".

    Of course my idea stems from the fact that I missed out on particular items I am quite fond of. I suggested it with the assumption that I am not the only one who is way late to this party. I knew of AoC years ago, only started following more closely a couple of months ago, and just learned of the monthly exclusive cosmetics last week. I imagine there are many others like myself who would like to have a chance at getting some of these items, and it's a bummer we never can simply because I didn't even know this was a thing.

    However, it certainly isn't the end of the world - I'll just be a bit jaded when I see someone running around in the armor/riding the mount I can't have simply because they were aware of the monthly packs before I was.
  • WhitneyHagasMatsumotoWhitneyHagasMatsumoto Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    @Adhonis -san

    Yeah, I can understand your depressing thoughts.
    In fact, I've been complaining to myself, ”I wish the Japanese gaming media would have mentioned this game more!" lol
  • unknownsystemerrorunknownsystemerror Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    edited February 2021
    Steven has clarified some points to soothe people. As others have mentioned above, Intrepid made some early stumbles, but soon got into lockstep with how things would be implemented. No more "The item isn't exclusive, the price is!" quotes to enrage people. For those of you still confused on how exclusive works here, the quote.
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