RNG Gear Progression

Have not found anything on this except a random YouTube video.
But will there be RNG progression in Ashes?

e.g: Take your Legendary Gear and enhance it?
like in BDO or something like that?

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me he was wrong?!!

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Biccus

I could be wrong but I think only enchanting can be applied to complete items.
Now when it comes to crafting gear I’m pretty certain the crafter can decide the look of the item, they also get to move the stats of the item around to some degree so it’s not random

Blip

Biccus wrote: »

I could be wrong but I think only enchanting can be applied to complete items.
Now when it comes to crafting gear I’m pretty certain the crafter can decide the look of the item, they also get to move the stats of the item around to some degree so it’s not random

Enchanting and stat reallocation is fine and relay cool, what am thinking of is like.
Your weapon can be +1, +2, +3 and so 4th and you have a chance to fail even tough you spent the resources and time to get them. And end up with nothing for your investment of time and money\ resources.

Biccus

So this is from the wiki, I think it’s what you’re talking about.
“Vertical enchantments are a power progression for a crafted item. More damage or mitigations, added effects or bonuses. Vertical enchantments include risks.
There isn't RNG in crafting but there may be a small amount of RNG in enchanting.
Over-enchanting items comes with a potential risk that the item decays or is destroyed if a safety margin is exceeded. This system is subject to testing.”

I’m definitely not sold on the idea but I’m willing to see how it works

Blip

Ohe god no!
I get that bad BDO feeling already take away durability but at least don`t destroy the item.
This is the first thing in the AoC design i don`t like, go figure it be the same type of system that made me stop playing BDO.

Hope they do better, RNG should not have anything to do with progression of gear or character IMO.
RNG feels like a cheep system that dont reward investment or time, only your prays to the "RNG gods".

Thank you for the info btw!

Am going to go cry a lite now.

Jxshuwu

Nooo i hate RNG enchantments! Pls don't let it be true.

A system where you could enchant a weapon with just one specific 'power' or element would be cool though.
Like you can give your sword a fire enchantment so it does partially fire damage or bonus fire damage. But in no way should it scale.

bloodprophet

Steven talked about this with Summit or maybe it was timthetatman when he did the interviews with them.

Jxshuwu

bloodprophet wrote: »

Steven talked about this with Summit or maybe it was timthetatman when he did the interviews with them.

Think i vaguely remember this in the interview with summit.

McShave

Enchanting weapons is supposed to be like a leveling system after you have reached max level. If the enchantment fails, your item is destroyed, and you can level your item to about +15 if you get really lucky. Your item being destroyed gives an incentive to not enchant your gear, because it may cost you a lot. I hope that the enchanting is not game breaking tho. If i have +0 and someone has +3, i would like it to be a fair fight still.

Jxshuwu

McShave wrote: »

Enchanting weapons is supposed to be like a leveling system after you have reached max level. If the enchantment fails, your item is destroyed, and you can level your item to about +15 if you get really lucky. Your item being destroyed gives an incentive to not enchant your gear, because it may cost you a lot. I hope that the enchanting is not game breaking tho. If i have +0 and someone has +3, i would like it to be a fair fight still.

Maybe a nice way to balance it, is to ''enchant'' a singular stat on a weapon whilst sacrificing another.

Like, you can enhance the agility stat on a weapon but lose the same amount of the stamina stat. Which can bring forward some cool specifically aimed builds like agility builds.

Maybe not relevant to your comment, but a cool thought perhaps.

McShave

@Jxshuwu That was talked about in one of the livestreams. There will be the ability to change stats on equipment, and i believe it will be seperate from the post-leveling enchanting system. We have a long time before we actually learn any of this tho, so many things are possible

Jxshuwu

McShave wrote: »

@Jxshuwu That was talked about in one of the livestreams. There will be the ability to change stats on equipment, and i believe it will be seperate from the post-leveling enchanting system. We have a long time before we actually learn any of this tho, so many things are possible

That'd be pretty cool, looking forward to their next devstream.

Vhaeyne

This is good because failed enchants keep the economy going.
You can also Deconstruct or sale poor procs to mitigate loss.

Warth

Gear Crafting: no RNG
Horizontal Entchanting: no RNG
Vertical Enchanting: RNG

rikardp98

If an Enchanter have the ability and the skill to do an enchant, then that enchant should be 100% successful.

However, if an Enchanter isn't skillful enough, a chance for destruction should exist.

Reaching 100% success rate should take some time and effort, but it should be possible.

Gannito

It should be similar to L2, up to +3 there is no chance of weapon / armor breakage.

From there, it can be broken, the more enchantment, the easier it is to break.

No gods in the middle !!!

Biccus

As long as there is a max an enchant can go and it isn't that far away from the safe zone I'll accept it. I don't want to see someone way outgearing others just because they got repeatedly lucky,

Gbolt

In my opinion, its a better system than the one with 0 RNG (if we ignore the fact that gear/mats dropping is also RNG). It makes it more dynamic that end game is not stale where everyone have top gear with 0 difference even if minority of people can invest enormous amount of resources or get super lucky to enchant weapon to +16 or something.

JamesSunderland

Enchanting RNG is an excellent gambling feature that pushes that thrill of risk vs reward, i have amazing memories of that in Lineage 2. So i like it being in the game as 2 possibilities: Cheap and reasonable easy to get enchant with risk to break the item and the expensive and rare enchant without the risk to break the item but resets the item to +0 on failure.
I Believe there should be other supplementar methods of improving a weapon other than ++ enchant aswell.

Warth

Unpopular Opinion here:

When everybody can reach max enchants, then you might not have them in the game at all. If you put it in, then it should be extensive. Reaching it should take considerable amount of effort.

With that being said:
There should be diminishing returns on your enchantements. +0 -> +1 should should provie the biggest improvement. The highest enchantements should only provide a marginal improvement, so that they only ever matter for the players trying to do the hardest content.

JamesSunderland

Warth wrote: »

Unpopular Opinion here:

When everybody can reach max enchants, then you might not have them in the game at all. If you put it in, then it should be extensive. Reaching it should take considerable amount of effort.

With that being said:
There should be diminishing returns on your enchantements. +0 -> +1 should should provie the biggest improvement. The highest enchantements should only provide a marginal improvement, so that they only ever matter for the players trying to do the hardest content.

I agree with the "Unpopular Opinion" it makes total sense for the "Risk vs Reward" idea.

Therefore i disagree with the "diminishing returns" as it simples goes against the idea of "Risk vs Reward"
+6 to +7 should be more(or as) rewarding than +0 to +1 as the risk/cost to reach it is higher.

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