On The Front Line - Tank Discussion

For those brave souls who plan on choosing the least played class in Ashes of Creation. I am curious about which archetype you are most excited to play and what you are hoping the playstyle shapes up to be? What made you decide on tank over the other choices?

I am most excited to explore a Tank/Summoner. I decided against a summoner main for a tank to ensure my guild has the most success when raiding and pvping and not having a raid night where the tank doesn't show. However, I am still excited to see what opportunities I will have as a tank/summoner. I'm hoping that I will be able to summon some beefy minion that may assist with CC on the battlefield or possibly be able to protect an ally when they are near death (charge to a healer and prevent death)

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Tyranthraxus

Yours truly has always found Tank to be a very melee-based and urgent affair, across games. If any class should have the most kinetic and physical abilities, it should definitely be Tank.

I hope it feels like gaining 300 pounds of body weight, then running over a sea of little kids while wearing full plate armor, as they helplessly bounce off of you or are trampled underfoot. Are they going to slow you down? Sure - but they're not going to completely stop you.

bloodprophet

I'm thinking Juggernaut from Deadpool 2.
Giant slab of muscle rushing in to crush my foes. While sowing as much chaos and malcontent as possible on our enimies.

Sathrago

Khronus wrote: »

For those brave souls who plan on choosing the least played class in Ashes of Creation. I am curious about which archetype you are most excited to play and what you are hoping the playstyle shapes up to be? What made you decide on tank over the other choices?

I am most excited to explore a Tank/Summoner. I decided against a summoner main for a tank to ensure my guild has the most success when raiding and pvping and not having a raid night where the tank doesn't show. However, I am still excited to see what opportunities I will have as a tank/summoner. I'm hoping that I will be able to summon some beefy minion that may assist with CC on the battlefield or possibly be able to protect an ally when they are near death (charge to a healer and prevent death)

I do not forsee myself playing a tank, but if I did I would probably be doing the tank/summoner as well albeit with a different idea of how it works.

My thoughts on a cool summoner tank would be something similar to a "mechsuit". Basically while mounting your summoned creature any damage taken is instead taken by the summon and you have empowered or unique skills to use while riding it. If you decide to dismount the summon you get your ordinary skill set, but have the augments focus on escape/remaking a fallen summon. I think the best way to describe this would be D.Va from Overwatch, or a mounted combatant using a unique kind of large beast/creature that is extraordinarily tanky. The flavor for whatever this summon and archetype can be so many different things so this is why I am mentioning mechsuits and beasts as examples when they would mechanically do the same things.

Basically, whatever tickles the fancy of the designers working on it and fits the game.

Jackless

Im really interested in playing a Paladin (Tank/Cleric).
I can imagine self healing to be pretty effective on a class designed to take damage. And i always loved to play Paladins in other games.

Yuyukoyay

Jackless wrote: »

Im really interested in playing a Paladin (Tank/Cleric).
I can imagine self healing to be pretty effective on a class designed to take damage. And i always loved to play Paladins in other games.

Kinda curious how Paladin would work in a game like this. I don't see how it's possible to fill the Paladin fantasy as it was designed in D & D and most other games that have them. While healing is one thing Paladins always do along with some form of support. Doing damage from the heavens is another aspect of the class that is pretty important.

I'm wondering if they used the wrong class name for that specific combination. Paladins in reality are a knight that fought for the church essentially. That gave them virtually no healing capability whatsoever. They just murdered people. xD

Paladin sounds more cool than Templar so it might be better to swap em. xD

szelesbt

I think most of the class names will be misleading. When u see that table, u start to imagine all the super cool classes. But this augment system seems more likely to be the 8 base classes, with little modifications. I really want them to reconsider it, and make very distinct classes, with different abilities and mechanics.

Nagash

szelesbt wrote: »

I think most of the class names will be misleading. When u see that table, u start to imagine all the super cool classes. But this augment system seems more likely to be the 8 base classes, with little modifications. I really want them to reconsider it, and make very distinct classes, with different abilities and mechanics.

while I would like that as well the balancing behind that would be a nightmare

Patsold

Khronus wrote: »

For those brave souls who plan on choosing the least played class in Ashes of Creation. I am curious about which archetype you are most excited to play and what you are hoping the playstyle shapes up to be? What made you decide on tank over the other choices?

I am most excited to explore a Tank/Summoner. I decided against a summoner main for a tank to ensure my guild has the most success when raiding and pvping and not having a raid night where the tank doesn't show. However, I am still excited to see what opportunities I will have as a tank/summoner. I'm hoping that I will be able to summon some beefy minion that may assist with CC on the battlefield or possibly be able to protect an ally when they are near death (charge to a healer and prevent death)

Because Sec. Archetype dont make new skills , i think the Tank / sum. will be a fulltank . I think Def. Skills give him extra HP / def like a summ. Armor or something. i dont think he will have minions. he maby have a flag that he can put into the ground and gives some Buffs in this aera. maby 1-2 protektion Skills but in my opinion his main Fokus is to CC / Tank and break the line in a battel, and the sec. archetype just support one of his roles.

Khronus

Patsold wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

For those brave souls who plan on choosing the least played class in Ashes of Creation. I am curious about which archetype you are most excited to play and what you are hoping the playstyle shapes up to be? What made you decide on tank over the other choices?

I am most excited to explore a Tank/Summoner. I decided against a summoner main for a tank to ensure my guild has the most success when raiding and pvping and not having a raid night where the tank doesn't show. However, I am still excited to see what opportunities I will have as a tank/summoner. I'm hoping that I will be able to summon some beefy minion that may assist with CC on the battlefield or possibly be able to protect an ally when they are near death (charge to a healer and prevent death)

Because Sec. Archetype dont make new skills , i think the Tank / sum. will be a fulltank . I think Def. Skills give him extra HP / def like a summ. Armor or something. i dont think he will have minions. he maby have a flag that he can put into the ground and gives some Buffs in this aera. maby 1-2 protektion Skills but in my opinion his main Fokus is to CC / Tank and break the line in a battel, and the sec. archetype just support one of his roles.

I would be alright with that. A battle flag would be pretty awesome to stab into the ground and provide something to the group. I'm looking forward to my CC options the most in pvp. I want to annoy the piss out of anyone crazy enough to get near me (or in range of my harpoon!).

Daedrik45

I plan on maining a Paladin tank bc I’ve always found the fantasy of a Paladin to fit my wheel house... melle is fun but a lil spells to spice it up is always nice

Khronus

Daedrik45 wrote: »

I plan on maining a Paladin tank bc I’ve always found the fantasy of a Paladin to fit my wheel house... melle is fun but a lil spells to spice it up is always nice

That does sound like fun!

Atama

I have no idea how the secondary classes are going to be implemented in regards to tanks. I think it'll be dependent on what I feel I’m lacking. If I want more DPS, fighter. If I want to throw in some healing, cleric. If I want to seem more sparkly and interesting, I’ll add mage. I don’t know without being able to really test things when it’s all implemented.

Asgerr

szelesbt wrote: »

I think most of the class names will be misleading. When u see that table, u start to imagine all the super cool classes. But this augment system seems more likely to be the 8 base classes, with little modifications. I really want them to reconsider it, and make very distinct classes, with different abilities and mechanics.

I find myself agreeing with this.

I haven't really seen any class mechanics as of now. It just seems to be a series of skills you can push without much regard for anything else. Doubtful there will be any resource management or particular burst windows or anything of the sort. Hoping that gets improved on as feedback comes in.

I have a mind to have an Tank alt, and I also tend to lean Paladin or Knight. Spellshield is another possible interesting combo.

Nytehawk

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Jackless wrote: »

Im really interested in playing a Paladin (Tank/Cleric).
I can imagine self healing to be pretty effective on a class designed to take damage. And i always loved to play Paladins in other games.

Kinda curious how Paladin would work in a game like this. I don't see how it's possible to fill the Paladin fantasy as it was designed in D & D and most other games that have them. While healing is one thing Paladins always do along with some form of support. Doing damage from the heavens is another aspect of the class that is pretty important.

I'm wondering if they used the wrong class name for that specific combination. Paladins in reality are a knight that fought for the church essentially. That gave them virtually no healing capability whatsoever. They just murdered people. xD

Paladin sounds more cool than Templar so it might be better to swap em. xD

first of all sorry for Necroing this from April but it hits at the crux of what I'm thinking for a Paladin. Most expect a Paladin to be a Holy warrior, however Ashes opens up another avenue with Cleric Death augments, think more Death Knight. Which to be honest is where I would probably go with the class. I prefer Debuffs and DoTs over minor self heals

Sathrago

Nytehawk wrote: »

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Jackless wrote: »

Im really interested in playing a Paladin (Tank/Cleric).
I can imagine self healing to be pretty effective on a class designed to take damage. And i always loved to play Paladins in other games.

Kinda curious how Paladin would work in a game like this. I don't see how it's possible to fill the Paladin fantasy as it was designed in D & D and most other games that have them. While healing is one thing Paladins always do along with some form of support. Doing damage from the heavens is another aspect of the class that is pretty important.

I'm wondering if they used the wrong class name for that specific combination. Paladins in reality are a knight that fought for the church essentially. That gave them virtually no healing capability whatsoever. They just murdered people. xD

Paladin sounds more cool than Templar so it might be better to swap em. xD

first of all sorry for Necroing this from April but it hits at the crux of what I'm thinking for a Paladin. Most expect a Paladin to be a Holy warrior, however Ashes opens up another avenue with Cleric Death augments, think more Death Knight. Which to be honest is where I would probably go with the class. I prefer Debuffs and DoTs over minor self heals

Absolutely, you could call it an anti-paladin to keep things simple. I would love to see this variant of paladin too.

Khronus

I'm always down to necro my topics haha.

@Nytehawk I completely agree. Debuffs/dots to me have more substance than minor healing. Healing will always have strong value but without huge numbers, I don't feel as useful compared to giving the party/raid the ability to deal more damage to a player or boss.

Nytehawk

Now I'm wondering how augments will effect threat generation, which will have higher generation a Heal or a DoT. I've played games where Debuffs did nothing for threat.

Dygz

Seems likely there will be a Tank Threat School of augments.

Khronus

Nytehawk wrote: »

Now I'm wondering how augments will effect threat generation, which will have higher generation a Heal or a DoT. I've played games where Debuffs did nothing for threat.

I personally hope that we don't have to waste augments on being better at maintaining threat. I would really like to be able to explore unique options to customize my playstyle and be forced to use proper ability rotations for threat management. I would assume we won't get many dots to use considering how much cc we already have. Hots....definitely.

Dygz

Primary Archetype Tanks will not have to rely on augments to be great at maintaining threat. They will be able to do so adequately with Tank Active Skills. If they want to focus more heavily on maintaining threat, they will probably be able to do so by becoming a Guardian and using Threat School augments on abilities that don't generate threat.
x/Tanks will probably want some augments that generate threat. Just as x/Clerics will probably want some augments that heal.
x/Clerics might have to think about how much threat their heal augments generate if they stack a lot of heals, but we don't know that they will be able to heal enough that it will be an issue.
We'll have to wait to see what augments are available before we can weigh in meaningfully.

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