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Citizenship: Yay or nay
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Well in that case
I'm doing my part
While, of course, this may not always play out, it is also instructive of how the game is built so that your relationship to your node is extremely important.
People are not going to have more loyalty to their node than their guild when their node can be destroyed and their guild can't.
They also aren't going to have more loyalty to their node than their guild when they have no control over who joins their node, but 100% control over who joins their guild.
It's one of those things where the idea behind an aspect of the game that Steven has simply isn't going to play out as described.
Maybe whomever is in control of a node decides who is a Citizen or not? Maybe an idea to create a level of Citizenship for players within a node. Being exiled could be a thing if you're particularly distasteful. Maybe it could lead to entire guild deciding to take the node by force if they lose an election.
Citizenship of a node should be the primary concern for a lot of unaffiliated players and I could see guilds being more aligned as a Nation if they accrue enough power to secure multiple nodes. The faction/guild divisions found within nodes will become less of concern if they're overly solidified.
Also... Something given has no value!
If I had more time, I would write a shorter post.
From the wiki:
We want these places to be populated and people to be attracted to them and so right now we think <b>housing is enough for that.</b> But we don't want to design ourselves into a corner where we don't have any other options, so the hope is that yes citizenship will be only gained through housing; with our caveat that if that doesn't work well we'll change it.[3] – Jeffrey Bard
And a page below:
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[4]
Titles.[4]
Reputation.[4]
Honor.[4]
Loyalty.[4]
Merit.[4]
I speculate that some are not willing to pay the tax requirement and made the poll to gauge how many.
Sorry for being vague.
Much love ❤️
If I had more time, I would write a shorter post.
Reading your last comment I guess the question is: Do you want to pay taxes as a citizen? Yes or no.
If that's is the question, well I prefer not to pay taxes but I'm okay doing it since being a citizen from a node grants you some benefits and probably will be worth it.
Guilds are an old concept that we are accustomed to in games and we are used to being loyal (more or less) to guilds. But citizenship is a new concept. We may find that it is as enduring a concept as guilds and that it is a standard part of MMO play from now on. So perhaps the assumption that loyalty to guild will normally be greater than loyalty to node is something that will be tested.
https://youtube.com/@TheHiddenDaggerInn
While not set in stone I believe a scientific node will be our goal, for teleportation along with crafter benefits.
https://youtube.com/@TheHiddenDaggerInn
How will you decide tax % from citizens?
https://youtube.com/@TheHiddenDaggerInn
15% the tithe must be paid
Oh, I never knew this.
It won't work unless there's a way fellow citizens actively interact and build community outside of when your node gets sieged.
Otherwise your questing/chillout/discord guild buddies will always have your loyalty.
What if your guild buddies didn't store their ressources in town or didn't invest in housing, but you did. And one day, they decide they should raze your node to the ground so they can level a new one for different content?
Would you agree to take the loss for their sake? Or where would your allegiance fall once your own hard earned labor is threatened.
There is only one way to find out and it's sure to make for interesting conflict/stories.
Most people that join guilds tend to work together.
There are some guilds out there that are more of a home for people that like to solo, but they are the exception.
I've never been in a guild or run a guild where something like this could happen. The members of the guild both like each other enough and respect each other enough to not do this. If we - as a guild - decided that we wanted to siege a node that a guild member was in, we could compensate that guild member in full, and assist in any time involved in getting set back up in a suitable location.
Honestly, any guild that does less is not worthy of my being a member, and any player that thinks such a guild is the right option for them is devaluing themself.
Even then it won't work.
A metropolis node is likely to have several thousand citizens. No one is going to feel more loyalty to that group pf nameless, faceless sheep over the people in their guild that they run content with on a daily basis.
Now, guilds that don't run content together (why do these even exist?) may find their members are more loyal to a node than to their guild, but actual guilds will not have this issue.
The guild is the basic social organization of all MMO's, and Steven is not going to change that - I am honestly unsure why he even suggested that may be the case.
Yeah. I just can't see myself deciding I want to defend my node against my guild.
My protests would begin as soon as the idea is brought up, and I'd assume my guild mates would be like, "would you consider moving nodes?"
"where?"
"next to me
"mmkay
^^^ is way more likely to happen.
Absolutly.
I would *expect* guild assistance in the move - financially and in terms of effort (which ever best suited the person asked to move), but at the end of the day, it is that persons choice.
But yeah, the notion that players in a real guild would ever consider being loyal to their node over their guild is just amusing.
It's really not much different than playing Risk or Battleship or Chess with buddies.
Meta-guilds may not always translate to in-game guilds or node citizenship, etc.
Hmm.. I get your analogy, but I would compare it more to monopoly with friends.
You're saying declaration of sieges is a casual move for lols. But if you have allegiance to your node then it means a lot more than that. Someone will flip the board if you do this.