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Half-Breed Discussion: Half-Breeds Wouldn't Fit the Lore, Right?

TyranthraxusTyranthraxus Member, Alpha Two
in General Discussion
Directly from the Wiki:

If the Verran races were combined they’d be the ancients. – Steven Sharif


In-and-of itself, this means that inter-species offspring are not viable for the lore of AoC, correct? You couldn't have the blood of the 4 primary races mixed to such a degree as to allow possible emersion of a newly-born member of the Ancients' race.

....Right?

Yours truly was trying to flesh-out something for a to-be toon's start-game RP background and this occurred to me.

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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited May 2021
    You could RP it.
    How many characters would believe you? You would have to try it and see.
  • bloodprophetbloodprophet Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Of course it's a thing they are called Tulnar Masters of Verra. Our blood didn't get diluted on Sanctus.

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  • tautautautau Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Dwarf seduces an orc, pregnancy results, and they get a dork!
  • KhronusKhronus Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited May 2021
    tautau wrote: »
    Dwarf seduces an orc, pregnancy results, and they get a dork!

    haha. I've never seen this and it actually made me laugh!

    @bloodprophet I think the actual lore describes the Tulnar as the worlds filth living below the dirt. Breeding and inbreeding with anything they can find (pigs, lizards, rocks) just to survive and continue their miniscule existence. One day soon Tulnar blood will be spilled and nary a tear will be shed.
  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Is that not just tulnar?
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  • mcstackersonmcstackerson Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    In addition to the tulnar, i'm pretty sure half breeds were mentioned during one of the extra life charity events
  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    mcstackerson wrote: »
    In addition to the tulnar, i'm pretty sure half breeds were mentioned during one of the extra life charity events

    Was that for the lore or game play?
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  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    edited May 2021
    I think half breeds is perfect for the game lore, maybe a lot harder to implement on a game level though. Because just look at animal husbandry, they mix all sorts of crap together to make new mounts as one of its features.

    For this sort of system though it might be proper to draw a line between the tulnar and the other races for this hybrid making since they have been removed from each other for so very long. A half-orc Half-elf sounds pretty sweet, it makes me think of the cannibal elves from divinity original sin 2.
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  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Sathrago wrote: »
    I think half breeds is perfect for the game lore, maybe a lot harder to implement on a game level though. Because just look at animal husbandry, they mix all sorts of crap together to make new mounts as one of its features.

    For this sort of system though it might be proper to draw a line between the tulnar and the other races for this hybrid making since they have been removed from each other for so very long. A half-orc Half-elf sounds pretty sweet, it makes me think of the cannibal elves from divinity original sin 2.

    Imagine a MMO made by that studio, would be very interesting
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  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    Nagash wrote: »
    Sathrago wrote: »
    I think half breeds is perfect for the game lore, maybe a lot harder to implement on a game level though. Because just look at animal husbandry, they mix all sorts of crap together to make new mounts as one of its features.

    For this sort of system though it might be proper to draw a line between the tulnar and the other races for this hybrid making since they have been removed from each other for so very long. A half-orc Half-elf sounds pretty sweet, it makes me think of the cannibal elves from divinity original sin 2.

    Imagine a MMO made by that studio, would be very interesting

    I think the closest we can get to that atm is baldur's gate 3. Imagine if you could take a single character and port it into other games for player made and company made dungeons to crawl.
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  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Nagash wrote: »
    Sathrago wrote: »
    I think half breeds is perfect for the game lore, maybe a lot harder to implement on a game level though. Because just look at animal husbandry, they mix all sorts of crap together to make new mounts as one of its features.

    For this sort of system though it might be proper to draw a line between the tulnar and the other races for this hybrid making since they have been removed from each other for so very long. A half-orc Half-elf sounds pretty sweet, it makes me think of the cannibal elves from divinity original sin 2.

    Imagine a MMO made by that studio, would be very interesting

    I think the closest we can get to that atm is baldur's gate 3. Imagine if you could take a single character and port it into other games for player made and company made dungeons to crawl.


    Would make things like roll 20 a thing of the past
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  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    Nagash wrote: »
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Nagash wrote: »
    Sathrago wrote: »
    I think half breeds is perfect for the game lore, maybe a lot harder to implement on a game level though. Because just look at animal husbandry, they mix all sorts of crap together to make new mounts as one of its features.

    For this sort of system though it might be proper to draw a line between the tulnar and the other races for this hybrid making since they have been removed from each other for so very long. A half-orc Half-elf sounds pretty sweet, it makes me think of the cannibal elves from divinity original sin 2.

    Imagine a MMO made by that studio, would be very interesting

    I think the closest we can get to that atm is baldur's gate 3. Imagine if you could take a single character and port it into other games for player made and company made dungeons to crawl.


    Would make things like roll 20 a thing of the past

    Possibly, They attempted this, though poorly, with DOS2. Check this out.

    https://youtu.be/SNxDMZhiGtU
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  • TyranthraxusTyranthraxus Member, Alpha Two
    bloodprophet wrote: »
    Of course it's a thing they are called Tulnar Masters of Verra. Our blood didn't get diluted on Sanctus.

    Welcome to the fold Ty.

    Blech - I'm not going into THAT fold! The Tulnar sound like offspring of people who possess the ethics of the Dutch sailors of old: If it moves, then f*ck it! Their lore is interesting, but I don't need a part-skunk, part-bear grandson....

    tautau wrote: »
    Dwarf seduces an orc, pregnancy results, and they get a dork!

    Right! Then you marry a Dork and an Elfman, to create the race that was the Ancients' species. It was the Corruption then turned them into the creepy, half-tree, half-titan-lookin' things we've seen so far.

    Abomination is often a *great* way to advance research and forbidden knowledge!

    Sathrago wrote: »
    I think half breeds is perfect for the game lore, maybe a lot harder to implement on a game level though. Because just look at animal husbandry, they mix all sorts of crap together to make new mounts as one of its features.

    For this sort of system though it might be proper to draw a line between the tulnar and the other races for this hybrid making since they have been removed from each other for so very long. A half-orc Half-elf sounds pretty sweet, it makes me think of the cannibal elves from divinity original sin 2.

    Aye - it doesn't feel like we'd get it as a play-able race; If anything, I suspect we'd only get half-breed NPCs.

    It'd be interesting if something akin to this came up as part of the Storyline, though....

    Maybe the new Verran magicians and the scientists from Sanctus pool their know-how and resources in an effort to re-create the Ancients' original, non-Corrupted race, in order to better study their strengths and weaknesses?



  • ShergrimShergrim Member
    tautau wrote: »
    Dwarf seduces an orc, pregnancy results, and they get a dork!

    in the book you go
  • YuyukoyayYuyukoyay Member
    A lot of the half breeds are also the origin of some of the races. That said games don't usually include them because of the dark pasts associated with some combinations and for ease of access so the game doesn't have 200 very specific races.

    RP is the only realistic option in this case. I would not be opposed to more race selections later down the road, but I'd prefer unique pure races over mixing a bunch of pre existing ones.
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  • ChimeChime Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I've seen a few people on Discord who are already planning on RPing half-breed characters. Also on the wiki it says (long ago) there were Toren which were half-elf and half-human so it's possible. https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Toren_empire
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited May 2021
    Possible, but I think the people of Sanctus tried to avoid recreating the Toren.
    (Also, might not be possible without magic - that's what we have to check on.)
  • RocketFarmerRocketFarmer Member, Alpha Two
    If the seven created the four races such that all four combined would essentially be an ancient, then would the act of cross breeding be considered a heresy?
  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    RocketFarmer wrote: »
    If the seven created the four races such that all four combined would essentially be an ancient, then would the act of cross breeding be considered a heresy?

    Depends on what side of the fence you sit with the gods
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  • TyranthraxusTyranthraxus Member, Alpha Two
    RocketFarmer wrote: »
    If the seven created the four races such that all four combined would essentially be an ancient, then would the act of cross breeding be considered a heresy?

    Yours truly is hoping to see some kind of tie-in for this, in the Religious parts/quests of the game.

    Wouldn't it make sense to research the race the Ancients were, before they Corrupted themselves? Maybe there's weaknesses we can exploit, in order to defend Verra against a second wave of Harbingers!



  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Tyranthraxus wrote: »
    RocketFarmer wrote: »
    If the seven created the four races such that all four combined would essentially be an ancient, then would the act of cross breeding be considered a heresy?

    Yours truly is hoping to see some kind of tie-in for this, in the Religious parts/quests of the game.

    Wouldn't it make sense to research the race the Ancients were, before they Corrupted themselves? Maybe there's weaknesses we can exploit, in order to defend Verra against a second wave of Harbingers!



    Or join them >:)
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  • bloodprophetbloodprophet Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I vote join
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  • JahlonJahlon Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Tyranthraxus wrote: »
    Directly from the Wiki:

    If the Verran races were combined they’d be the ancients. – Steven Sharif


    In-and-of itself, this means that inter-species offspring are not viable for the lore of AoC, correct? You couldn't have the blood of the 4 primary races mixed to such a degree as to allow possible emersion of a newly-born member of the Ancients' race.

    ....Right?

    Yours truly was trying to flesh-out something for a to-be toon's start-game RP background and this occurred to me.




    That would be the Tulnar
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