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Kind of lucky there is no proximity chat on these forums and I am certain mute would need to be on most of the time!
Poll last year is here:
https://strawpoll.com/4wgjqugaq/r
I wonder if the sentiment has changed over time or just different active minority.
For NW, proximity chat, I was surprised by it at first it as my first MMO that I had experienced with proximity chat from memory but although did not mind having it, I would not have been at a loss not having it.
Perhaps if I played that one more seriously, then I would have gravitated to discord.. will see.. as looking forward to playing in a few months!
Have you ever even played an MMO with inherent PvP?
There is far more competition in such MMO's than in battle royale games. This may well explain why the people asking for this are mostly fairly new to MMO's.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
Since most of the people are going to use Discord a PVC doesn't seems necesary. You have local, whisper and shout chat channels to talk with strangers you meet ingame. And if you want to voice chat not using Discord you have party, raid, guild and also taverns voice chat.
I don't like PVC at all but I'm not against it if such system is usefull for a reasonable number of players and we have an option to turn it off.
Also, report a bad behaviour on a PVC will be more difficult than report it in a text chat and maybe this will add unnecesary work on GMs.
PVC was tried in DCUO and most of the player base at least on PC ended up turning it off.
Sounds like an example of wasted time and resources to me.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
Also I don't care if PVC is used by a minority and the rest of the population is using discord, The people who use discord will all turn it off, and the people who don't will use PVC. Should we never legalize weed because the majority of politicians don't want it legalized due to their donors, or should we listen to the more progressive side of the country and make the argument that it is better for society to have weed legalized even with the vocal minority screeching in our ear saying NO, TRADITIONAL VALUES, ARE CONSERVATIVE VALUE! That's what you guys sound like.
A wizard is never late, he arrives precisely when he means to.
If you can't handle free and open discussion, then don't participate
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
DCUO tried PVC and it was turn off by most people that play the game. Built in game voice chat in fact is rarely use if at all in any mmorpg I have played. Also trying interject real life politics into a forum about a video game seems very unhinge , you don't know who you are talking to here or know anything about what their real world beliefs are.
A wizard is never late, he arrives precisely when he means to.
Not very civil for one that wants to have a civil conversation. Just saying.
A wizard is never late, he arrives precisely when he means to.
People have given reasons, you have ignored them and then claimed that those reasons do not exist.
Stop doing that.
It would be nice if people kept real-world politics out of video games too.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
I totally agree, and my post above is as far down that route as I am willing to go here.
A wizard is never late, he arrives precisely when he means to.
It is fairly well known that MMO players in a PvP setting are among the most toxic of the wider gaming community.
As such, it is logical that the only people wanting an open voice channel to those around them - opposition included - are those that either do not understand this, or want to propagate that toxicity.
This means that any arguments for proximity voice chat are either from the perspective of ignorance and will turn it off as soon as they realize the reality, or are the cause of endless issues for people that do not know how to turn it off.
And no it is not well known that mmo players are the most toxic community. I would argue FPS (Warframe, CoD, halo,) and MOBA (league) are. I don't know what mmo community you have been in that's toxic, if anything I would argue the mmo community is extremely anti-social, i.e. this chat not wanting it in the game is a perfect example. Or just joining a group of people for a dungeon and no one saying a single word like Hi to each other.
If your argument is that people don't know how to turn off a setting by hitting esp and going into setting menu,
Let me ask you something, what would you do if someone was toxic just with speech bubble, would you scream and agonize that there is nothing you can possibly do to make them stop being toxic. or would you simply click their character, click "block" and then click "report for abuse". Same concept just with voice.
A wizard is never late, he arrives precisely when he means to.
You can have a hundred positive experiences with in game voice chat tell that one negative experience happens which will result in most mmorpg players turning the whole feature off. World of Warcraft has in game voice chat , no one uses it , same with ESO and other mmorpgs. What is illogical is wasting time on making a feature that most people wont use. People who like to voice rp do so on private voice channels free of harassment.
BIG TRUE!
These pro-PVC people don't seem to realize that people have zero patience for built-it group based VoIP. It stands to good reason that patience for built-it PVC would be less.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
EXACTLY!! Your finally getting it. TURN IT OFF!
WoW as stated before does not have Voice Chat built in as a feature, it is a third party website that you must download, (yeah like the rp community is going to collectively do that for a 17 year old game). I have yet to hear a game that has PVC and the community hated it. DC Universe has it as stated before by the anti-pvc and I did some research and the main cause was due to a bug in the mic system that the game company never fixed, (even with that it was mixed reviews, positive/negative)
I don't care what you think is illogical based on the features you love or hate, (game not just about you) that's subjective. And I don't care if even 5% used it and 95% didn't, the 5% will enjoy their time in the game RPing and the 95% can just turn it off and use discord.
A wizard is never late, he arrives precisely when he means to.
EXACTLY!! Your finally getting it. TURN IT OFF!
WoW as stated before does not have Voice Chat built in as a feature, it is a third party website that you must download, (yeah like the rp community is going to collectively do that for a 17 year old game). I have yet to hear a game that has PVC and the community hated it. DC Universe has it as stated before by the anti-pvc and I did some research and the main cause was due to a bug in the mic system that the game company never fixed, (even with that it was mixed reviews, positive/negative)
I don't care what you think is illogical based on the features you love or hate, (game not just about you) that's subjective. And I don't care if even 5% used it and 95% didn't, the 5% will enjoy their time in the game RPing and the 95% can just turn it off and use discord.
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I actually played DCUO and the reason most players turn off voice chat was because of trolling. In game voice chat always ends up a dead feature in every mmorpg I have played. Time and resources could be better spent on other features that will be more used in the game.
A wizard is never late, he arrives precisely when he means to.
The devs can do whatever they want with their game , I not telling them not to include it. Just starting my opinion that it is a waste of time since other mmorpgs in the past ten years have included in game voice chat and ends up not being used by anyone.
A wizard is never late, he arrives precisely when he means to.
I didn't.
I said that 1. the pro-pvc are secretly toxic and want to harass people themselves OR 2. pro-pvc are all ignorant newbie mmo players who don't know the harshen reality of pvc.
That one word makes all the difference.
Also, I have not seen any evidence to the contrary, all pro proximity chat people have fit neatly in to one of those two groups.
The PVC I experienced was bizarre and is horrible for immersion. One player character runs past you and suddenly you hear people talking to their friends through Discord about football or some movie or parents screaming in the distance to come eat dinner or bit of whatever music or TV show the person has on. And that player clearly has no clue they can be heard because they have the PVC turned off and are only paying attention to Discord voice chat.
Then we wait and see if the devs share that opinion.
That 5% using PVC for RP might as well just do the same thing with Discord voice chat because it will amount to the same thing. Only a handful of people would hear you because most people in the tavern will have PVC turned off and will be listening to their own Discord channels.
Which means your RP will likely be disrupted by their stray chatter because they aren’t paying attention to how it affects proximity voice chat.
You could always ask Steven what his views are on this topic as a question for the Dev Livestream.