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Heavy, leather, robe, jewelry. Physical defence. Magic defence. Epics? Meaningful gearing vs pokemon

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  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    A lot of games have good customization and no gear to make some builds useable.
    This is what the Archeage system avoids.

    For the longest time, I was playing a half plate, half cloth wearing caster with a sword and shield, as that was the best gear to suit my build.

    It worked damn fine too.

    There was a lot I liked about ArcheAge. Just not enough to keep me in it. p2w really sacks my motivation to play anything.
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    This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    A lot of games have good customization and no gear to make some builds useable.
    This is what the Archeage system avoids.

    For the longest time, I was playing a half plate, half cloth wearing caster with a sword and shield, as that was the best gear to suit my build.

    It worked damn fine too.

    There was a lot I liked about ArcheAge. Just not enough to keep me in it. p2w really sacks my motivation to play anything.

    The only good thing about P2W was beating people that were spending 4 figures a month on the game, while spending only $15 myself.
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    A lot of games have good customization and no gear to make some builds useable.
    This is what the Archeage system avoids.

    For the longest time, I was playing a half plate, half cloth wearing caster with a sword and shield, as that was the best gear to suit my build.

    It worked damn fine too.

    There was a lot I liked about ArcheAge. Just not enough to keep me in it. p2w really sacks my motivation to play anything.

    The only good thing about P2W was beating people that were spending 4 figures a month on the game, while spending only $15 myself.

    I remember watching this guy make a video where he went into an arena with average gear on, got killed, then during the setup for the next round he pulls out his credit card, throws it at the screen, and auto equips his P2W gear.

    The difference in power was just plain stupid. He rolled the guy he was fighting for the next three fights, winning.
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited September 2021
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    A lot of games have good customization and no gear to make some builds useable.
    This is what the Archeage system avoids.

    For the longest time, I was playing a half plate, half cloth wearing caster with a sword and shield, as that was the best gear to suit my build.

    It worked damn fine too.

    There was a lot I liked about ArcheAge. Just not enough to keep me in it. p2w really sacks my motivation to play anything.

    The only good thing about P2W was beating people that were spending 4 figures a month on the game, while spending only $15 myself.

    I remember watching this guy make a video where he went into an arena with average gear on, got killed, then during the setup for the next round he pulls out his credit card, throws it at the screen, and auto equips his P2W gear.

    The difference in power was just plain stupid. He rolled the guy he was fighting for the next three fights, winning.


    You couldn't buy gear directly in Archeage.

    Dont believe everything you see on the Internet.
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    A lot of games have good customization and no gear to make some builds useable.
    This is what the Archeage system avoids.

    For the longest time, I was playing a half plate, half cloth wearing caster with a sword and shield, as that was the best gear to suit my build.

    It worked damn fine too.

    There was a lot I liked about ArcheAge. Just not enough to keep me in it. p2w really sacks my motivation to play anything.

    The only good thing about P2W was beating people that were spending 4 figures a month on the game, while spending only $15 myself.

    I remember watching this guy make a video where he went into an arena with average gear on, got killed, then during the setup for the next round he pulls out his credit card, throws it at the screen, and auto equips his P2W gear.

    The difference in power was just plain stupid. He rolled the guy he was fighting for the next three fights, winning.


    You couldn't buy gear directly in Archeage.

    Dont believe everything you see on the Internet.

    I didn't feel like going into detail on how one goes about using money to secure better gear in archeage.
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited September 2021
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    A lot of games have good customization and no gear to make some builds useable.
    This is what the Archeage system avoids.

    For the longest time, I was playing a half plate, half cloth wearing caster with a sword and shield, as that was the best gear to suit my build.

    It worked damn fine too.

    There was a lot I liked about ArcheAge. Just not enough to keep me in it. p2w really sacks my motivation to play anything.

    The only good thing about P2W was beating people that were spending 4 figures a month on the game, while spending only $15 myself.

    I remember watching this guy make a video where he went into an arena with average gear on, got killed, then during the setup for the next round he pulls out his credit card, throws it at the screen, and auto equips his P2W gear.

    The difference in power was just plain stupid. He rolled the guy he was fighting for the next three fights, winning.


    You couldn't buy gear directly in Archeage.

    Dont believe everything you see on the Internet.

    I didn't feel like going into detail on how one goes about using money to secure better gear in archeage.

    I'm not going in to detail, I'm just saying that what you described is simply not possible in Archeage.

    Even if it was, in the time it would take to process a transaction, your arena opponent would have reached you and killed you where you stand anyway.

    It's confirmation bias. People know that Archeage is pay to win, and they don't like that. Someone makes a video exaggerating the pay to win aspects of the game past what the game allows for, and to many people it simply confirms the bias they already have.

    I'm sure that video got that person a lot of views though.
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    A lot of games have good customization and no gear to make some builds useable.
    This is what the Archeage system avoids.

    For the longest time, I was playing a half plate, half cloth wearing caster with a sword and shield, as that was the best gear to suit my build.

    It worked damn fine too.

    There was a lot I liked about ArcheAge. Just not enough to keep me in it. p2w really sacks my motivation to play anything.

    The only good thing about P2W was beating people that were spending 4 figures a month on the game, while spending only $15 myself.

    I remember watching this guy make a video where he went into an arena with average gear on, got killed, then during the setup for the next round he pulls out his credit card, throws it at the screen, and auto equips his P2W gear.

    The difference in power was just plain stupid. He rolled the guy he was fighting for the next three fights, winning.


    You couldn't buy gear directly in Archeage.

    Dont believe everything you see on the Internet.

    I didn't feel like going into detail on how one goes about using money to secure better gear in archeage.

    I'm not going in to detail, I'm just saying that what you described is simply not possible in Archeage.

    Even if it was, in the time it would take to process a transaction, your arena opponent would have reached you and killed you where you stand anyway.

    It's confirmation bias. People know that Archeage is pay to win, and they don't like that. Someone makes a video exaggerating the pay to win aspects of the game past what the game allows for, and to many people it simply confirms the bias they already have.

    I'm sure that video got that person a lot of views though.

    Sigh.
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  • SirChancelotSirChancelot Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I feel like the different armor type should only be tied to various defense stats and then mobility.

    When you start adding specific stats to specific types you're basically saying that as a mage you should wear cloth. My understanding of the game is that they're trying to avoid casting people as certain requirements or builds...
    Also the way you have it set up in the OP would make it difficult for the hybrid damage dealers. Would the spellsword end up up wearing a lot of cloth and leather all mismatched trying to get the right stats?
  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    That's not what I am saying.
    In L2 mages wore heavy and leather.
  • SirChancelotSirChancelot Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two

    Leather armor should always have less physical defence than heavy. Players should find stats on leather armors like critical modifiers, physical ability cooldown reductions, snare/slow resistances, evasion bonus OR roll dodge cost reductions. Definitely offensive boosts, rarely MP related stats, rarely casting speed bonuses and rarely magic ability cooldown reductions.

    Robe armors should always have the least amount of physical defence. The additional stats that players should find on robe armors should be around MP, mp regen, casting speed bonuses, magic ability cooldown reductions, magic attack bonuses, magic critical modifiers.

    That may not be what you want it to be. L2 may have had mages where all sorts of stuff... But if you put these kind of bonuses on cloth gear mages are definitely going to gravitate towards cloth (which is fine by me I feel like a mage should be wearing cloth armor) but, as I said I thought ashes was trying to avoid anything that was going to feel like you had to choose something
  • mcstackersonmcstackerson Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited September 2021
    I think i agree with OP. I didn't prefer archeage's method of doing things when it came to gear's defensive stats.

    Ops idea reminds me of albions armor stats where armor effects your defense and offense.

    Heavy armor has highest resistances, health regen, and increases cc duration.
    Light armor has the highest damage/healing increase and mana regen.
    Medium is in in the middle of these.

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    Maybe it would be changed so that medium is still in the middle for damage and resistance but would be the highest on regen so there is more of a reason to choose it. Good armor for people who don't plan on having much support.
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