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New combat ability type: CC counter attack
George_Black
Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
Who knows what it will look like? Nobody.
But for the present time, between A1 and A2, here is an idea.
CCs are a cool tool. I like all the ways we find CCs in skills, whether it is a plain CC ability, dmg + CC, buff + CC, debuff + CC.
(What I dont like is when developers like the ones in eso give a class one ability that:
CCs
Damages
AoE
Unblockable
Teleport
No Cooldown
Absorb incoming ranged dmg)
Many times mmos end up being who is going to get CCed first. This makes the game not fun for some.
Personally I have a much bigger issue with AoEs than CCs.
We have many types of abilities in addition to CCs.
What if there was a NEW type?
CC counter?
Classes or weapons could have in there trees CC counters. More tools for more gameplay.
CCs could change in the future. Be more telegraphed. And so, during a fight people would think about how to place a CC to an enemy without being countered.
I think it would make for a fun gameplay.
Lastly, CC skills and counters (ranged or melee) would have to have appropriate cooldowns, in order to avoid making combat just about countering CCs.
But for the present time, between A1 and A2, here is an idea.
CCs are a cool tool. I like all the ways we find CCs in skills, whether it is a plain CC ability, dmg + CC, buff + CC, debuff + CC.
(What I dont like is when developers like the ones in eso give a class one ability that:
CCs
Damages
AoE
Unblockable
Teleport
No Cooldown
Absorb incoming ranged dmg)
Many times mmos end up being who is going to get CCed first. This makes the game not fun for some.
Personally I have a much bigger issue with AoEs than CCs.
We have many types of abilities in addition to CCs.
What if there was a NEW type?
CC counter?
Classes or weapons could have in there trees CC counters. More tools for more gameplay.
CCs could change in the future. Be more telegraphed. And so, during a fight people would think about how to place a CC to an enemy without being countered.
I think it would make for a fun gameplay.
Lastly, CC skills and counters (ranged or melee) would have to have appropriate cooldowns, in order to avoid making combat just about countering CCs.
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I'd be all good with it if PvP just didn't feature CCs. The do have their uses with NPCs, though.
I think CC is an essential part to PvP, otherwise it's just who does the most damage first. CC lets you disengage, position, and plan ahead.
Intrepid mentioned they're working on more active counter type abilities, like active blocking. I hope something like this makes it into the game. It adds another layer of complexity to the combat which makes it more strategical.
I hope every class has the possibility of specing into at least one hard cc and one soft cc.
'an essential part of pvp' ?
To disengage, to position, plan for a Backstab?
Sounds like something a 1v1 WoW rogue would say. Fess up.
Planning ahead is not attacking someone who is stronger, that is a fail in strategy.
CCs allow it to work by removing the other players ability, basically hit the Pause button on his game. Its cheap. Sure its 'lolz' and a win for the one, buts its still cheap.
So the CC-reliant class attacks players hoping they don't have a counter. When the majority of players spend pts on the counter, the CC-reliant class whines they are underpowered and unloved.
Get buffed. Revel in the lolz
Another counter is released. Players spend pts on it.
More whining. More buffs, more counters. More whine.
Seen it.
Why not just DESIGN CCs not to be an I-Win button or so polarizing?
Removing player agency is BS.
No class should be CC-reliant, its a setup for failure in one way or another.
I dont think you understood anything from this topic.
Steven said that is should take a player 30 seconds to kill someone in combat. So if you stun them for a second or 2, thats not really going to win you the fight. Also if everyone can get a CC ability, then everything is fair. It just depends on how you build your character and if you choose to add a CC ability to your kit.
From there, any player that is hit by a hard CC should then have an immunity to all hard CC for a period of at least three times the actual duration of the CC they just had on them (meaning that even if they can break out of it, they may opt to not break in order to give them a longer immunity).
Then you make sure all hard CC has a cooldown of at least 15 times its duration (so a three second stun would have at least a 45 second cooldown), limit hard CC to one per character (other than CC specialist classes like tanks and bards) and you have a game with CC that can be used effectively, but will never be the deciding factor in a fight.
Agreed …… combine the fluidity of BDO and the buff and burst/combo style of ESO and you will have the best combat on the market.
Block, roll dodge/evade…. , (block at the exact moment in coming damage from a respective dmg type melee/range would counter/ reflect that damage back at the attacker) Spells should not be able to be countered except by a “counter spell” “reflective bubble” but only blocked to reduce damage taken from that spell…. CC spells should be blockable reward players for recognizing their enemies “class CC moves” Each class type should have their own specific CC and each weapon type as well…. CC with diminished returns…. CC immunity spells… Getting constantly stunned after you buff for a combo IS SHIT…….
1 hard cc and 1 snare per archetype pls
Just suggestions haven’t seen any footage or gameplay of any actual combat yet… just a bunch of low levels spamming their base skills and L/H attacks….
The combat will make or break this game for me personally All the other stuff is awesome but with out competitive FUN pvp and combat…. It’s all for nothing
All aboard the Cyrodiil AoE Train! Choo-chooooo!
With the same logic, I don't see the need for Bard abilities to allow them to compete in any significant way as a Healer, Tank, melee dps, ranged dps, AOE dps, burst dps, Stealth or Summoner.
It's all about the balance; a small smattering of a different archetypes core abilities adds flexibility, too much makes some archetypes redundant.
Rock < Paper < Scissors < Rock
or in fighting games like SSB:
Block/Dodge/Parry < Grab < Attack < Block/Dodge/Parry
and again in hitstop design:
light attack < block < heavy attack < light attack
I guess my question is: if you had a cc-counter, what would it do if you successfully countered?
1hko the opponent?
Reverse the cc onto the opponent?
Apply a debuff to the opponent?
Nullify damage?
still applies damage, but cancels the cc component?
What would make it different from a cleanse ability? Or a dodge/block? Or a tank's resistance to cc?
I like where this is going - MMO combat can be greatly improved.
Would this be like you attempt to blind me with a color spray and I turn my back quickly?
Can you give an example of one or more CC counters. What exactly would they do?
Is it an ability like the one the LOTRO Burglar had back when I played? When they got stunned they could fire off an ability that broke the stun and in turn knocked down the enemy within a short radius.