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Mastering a Profession vs. Jack of all Trades Profession
McShave
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Just wondering what you guys think professions will be like. From my understanding, there will be the option to go deep or to go wide with professions. For those that don't understand, going deep means picking one of the 3 professions and mastering that, and going wide means doing a little bit of multiple professions.
The way I understand, Intrepid wants to design it is that not many people will be masters of professions. Since you will need many of the lower profession items to make the higher profession items, you will need a lot more people making the lower items than the higher. Therefore, if a guild has a couple Masters in each profession, and many jack of all trades, then this kinda equals out?
I know this is highly speculative right now, just wondering what ya'lls thoughts on it is.
The way I understand, Intrepid wants to design it is that not many people will be masters of professions. Since you will need many of the lower profession items to make the higher profession items, you will need a lot more people making the lower items than the higher. Therefore, if a guild has a couple Masters in each profession, and many jack of all trades, then this kinda equals out?
I know this is highly speculative right now, just wondering what ya'lls thoughts on it is.
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As a master sword maker, meaning I only make swords and none of the non-sword components, I'm heavily dependent on the underlying crafters and supply chain to get the materials / components I need.
Just my two cents though. Good question - I'm curious to see others' responses.
I plan to Master the religion of Verra and become a High Priest
That is also a question I have. Do you master sword making or more generally weapon making? I am interested to see how they implement this specializing. Would it be more like a profession "talent" tree, where the further you go the more specialized you get, or some other system?
I got too many questions lol
So, IS wants to limit a characters ability to only one profession besides the adventure class.
People should get ready to face the reality that only one profession will bring you wealth.
The rest is fancy words, pipe dreams and misunderstandings.
Can you expand in this statement? Why do you think this, and which do you think will be the "one"?
There are designs for goods transportations, player made shops instead of auction house economy, raw material designation based on map areas, and an overall interdependancy of systems.
If people could make money from many professions, all the above are pointless. There would be unlimited items to sell and buy easily.
I dont think IS would sacrifice the game model just so that people can RP being a carpenter and a cook and a blacksmith and and and and...
Be ready to see that you will only progress at a meaningful lv on only one prefession.
Forget about masters and jacks ofthe all trades.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Processing
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Crafting
lots of info there
Oh, so you are saying that everyone will be specializing instead of going general. You are probably correct in that those that specialize will make the most money. You also mentioned a lot of reasons why I am so excited to get into the game, it is changing up the formula quite a lot.
It is important to keep in mind the fundamental principle of economics, supply vs demand. What happens in game will depend on how IS implement how much supply you will need to achieve your goals in professions. If you need 100 of a tier 1 resource to create 1 tier 4 resource, then how many people do you need making tier 4 resources compared to how many people making tier 1 resources?
yup. a lot of theoreticals, but we still don't know how it is going to practically play out. Hopefully they have an idea of what the final design will be like when Alpha 2 comes out.
In ESO you need a few things in order to function:
Base gear mats to craft the useful sets
Golden mats to enchance your set
Glyphs, to add stats to your gear
Potions and food
For the above you would need:
Blacksmith or leatherworker or clothier
Gatherers processing raw mats
Enchanters
Alchemists and cooks
My character has all the above professions maxed out. Mastered. I am a master crafter in all ESO professions.
Do you think I craft potions and food? Do you think I process raw mats to get golden mats?
I dont gather anything. I dont craft anything except glyphs and gear (which means I never buy glyphs and gear mats).
I only buy potions. That's my contribution to the economy because I cant be bothered looking for ingredients.
As a master crafter I dont sell anything.
Where does my gold come from? All I need is a couple raid drops a month which I sell to my random LFG raid group. And I buy my potions from the "auction houses"
This is what happens when you prefer quantity over quality. That is why IS will allow players to benefit from only one profession. You wont be able to go far with more than one. As for the concept of Tier 1 and Tier High goods, I seriously doubt that people will bother to compete for peanuts, switching between all their "Tier 1" professions. Why bother? Why run around to make peanuts from all your, rightly so, undeveloped professions?
There was mention of being able to master three professions in each artisan tree while being able to do basics in others or at very least within same artisan tree. There are quite a few threads similar to this one already with similar information.
What you're talking about with guilds having multiple crafters is no different than most MMORPG games with crafting. Yes, there could multiple people in the same guild and node that master similar things. Crafted items and PvE drops were mentioned to be on par with each other with the possibility of PvE items being slightly better. By how much? who knows right now.
Just to be clear because the nomenclature can be a bit confusing: Artisan Skill Trees are the big three options I believe you called profession: Gathering, Processing and Crafting. The Professions are the paths in each Artisan Skill Tree (for example in Gathering: woodcutting, farming, fishing and mining).With that said, I think your premise might be incorrect:
From my understanding, you'll only be able to choose one out of the three Artisan skill trees. So you can either chop down a tree or turn logs into arrow shafts or turn arrow shafts into arrows, only one of those.
Once you choose an Artisan skill tree, you might be able to master all Professions in it, but it's not decided yet:
Maybe you'll be able to perform extremely basic actions in all three Artisan skills (jack of all trades), but I don't think that information has ever been confirmed.
Not really, honestly. The way I see it a guild will probably focus on only one player to master each profession in Processing and Crafting, but they'll need a lot of people to feed resources to these players before they reach Master status. And I'm not sure people will be able to reach such status by processing/crafting tier 1 items repeatedly, it's probably gonna be exponential. Gathering will probably be very profitable, but I'm sure high tier resources will be camped 24 hours a day.
All-in-all, it feels like it's heading in the right direction. Those of us who will invest more time in the game will have it show, in our capacities.
Thank you for your post, I have learned a good amount, including the correct terminology. I think my whole argument was based off a misunderstanding from this quote:
From what I understand now, you can only ever partake in one artisan skill (gathering, processing, crafting), but you can generalize inside that skill before picking a specific profession (specialization of that skill). What I though is that you can "dabble" in all artisan skills before choosing one, which I guess is incorrect.
Well, at the end of the day, it will all become clear in testing. I understand that Intrepid wants players to pick and specialize in one of the 3 artisan skills, which will create interdependencies, but I still think it would be valuable for a single character to partake in the basics of each (like tier 1 gathering, processing, and crafting) for reasons mentioned in my op.
I think you can choose one of each
Let's imagine that 5 professions of each
1 collection level max 1 processing level max 1 manufacturing level max
2 collection level 50% 2 processing level 50% 2 manufacturing level 50%
3 collection level 20% 3 processing level 20% 3 manufacturing level 20%
You can dabble in all 3 trees at a beginners level to try them out, but you can only master/max professions in one of the trees (gathering, processing, or crafting).
We don't know what 'beginner' really means or the exact number of professions within a tree you can master.