Staves basic attacks CAN’T be melee

It would make more sense if staves basic attacks would be some sort of magical spell instead of regular melee attack. It would represent the mage archetype better.

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Podgnil

agree! and it can have special modifers, for diference in build crafting, like a fire stuff berns target, water stuff regen litle amount of mana, light stuff stuck's effect when it 3 on target, target get stunn for 1-2 sec and etc )

AncientIncant

HeissTea wrote: »

It would make more sense if staves basic attacks would be some sort of magical spell instead of regular melee attack. It would represent the mage archetype better.

Agreed

Atama

I read the title as "Steve's basic attacks" and thought it was a comment on Steven Sharif's martial arts skills.

As to the actual topic, we have books, wands, and orbs already that provide magical ranged attacks. I think having a staff do the same thing would be redundant. Also, out of the 5 confirmed ranged weapons, 60% (3 of the 5) are magical in nature. (The potion launcher is not confirmed to be in the MMORPG as it was in Apocalypse, and it's debatable whether it would count as a mundane or magical ranged weapon even if it was.) It seems greedy to ask for yet another one.

ETA: I am planning on playing a Mage as my main character so I wouldn't object to another magical weapon, but it would be selfish of me to deprive melee combatants of the ability to use a staff weapon. And honestly, it might even make sense for a Mage to have a melee option and carry a staff anyway. Weapons aren't tied to classes in this game.

Another edit: I wonder if there is a possibility to have augments that make a staff's attacks appear to be melee-range magical attacks for those of us who are Mages and want a staff option?

SirChancelot

Would be interesting if a staff acted different if you were a fighter or a mage. Being either a wizard staff or monk style staff accordingly.

Jahlon

The problem is Staves can be used by any class and they go in the melee slot. Staves are not ranged weapons. For that you have the Scepter, Wand, Orb and Grimoire if you want magic flavored ranged weapons.

Inex23

I find it interesting too. Maybe if the different type of attack styles could be achieved through the weapon progression of the staff. Or even as a possible upgrade to the actual item. But I think it only would be fair if it would be permanent on that item, altough changing styles mid fight could be interesting, may be a little too flexible.

Atama

Jahlon wrote: »

The problem is Staves can be used by any class and they go in the melee slot. Staves are not ranged weapons. For that you have the Scepter, Wand, Orb and Grimoire if you want magic flavored ranged weapons.

Is scepter a weapon type? It’s not on the Wiki. I’m intrigued!!!

Happymeal2415

Atama wrote: »

(The potion launcher is not confirmed to be in the MMORPG as it was in Apocalypse, and it's debatable whether it would count as a mundane or magical ranged weapon even if it was.)

Potion launcher is the cannons from boats

HeissTea

Jahlon wrote: »

The problem is Staves can be used by any class and they go in the melee slot. Staves are not ranged weapons. For that you have the Scepter, Wand, Orb and Grimoire if you want magic flavored ranged weapons.

They could probably make it like dark souls III where you can't use the spell effect if you don't have high enough intellect, so that other melee focused archetypes are only able to use the melee basic attack.

HeissTea

SirChancelot11 wrote: »

Would be interesting if a staff acted different if you were a fighter or a mage. Being either a wizard staff or monk style staff accordingly.

Yes, that was exactly what I was thinking too! Great idea!

HeissTea

Jahlon

Scepter is on the wiki: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Scepters

HeissTea

Atama wrote: »

I read the title as "Steve's basic attacks" and thought it was a comment on Steven Sharif's martial arts skills.

As to the actual topic, we have books, wands, and orbs already that provide magical ranged attacks. I think having a staff do the same thing would be redundant. Also, out of the 5 confirmed ranged weapons, 60% (3 of the 5) are magical in nature. (The potion launcher is not confirmed to be in the MMORPG as it was in Apocalypse, and it's debatable whether it would count as a mundane or magical ranged weapon even if it was.) It seems greedy to ask for yet another one.

ETA: I am planning on playing a Mage as my main character so I wouldn't object to another magical weapon, but it would be selfish of me to deprive melee combatants of the ability to use a staff weapon. And honestly, it might even make sense for a Mage to have a melee option and carry a staff anyway. Weapons aren't tied to classes in this game.

Another edit: I wonder if there is a possibility to have augments that make a staff's attacks appear to be melee-range magical attacks for those of us who are Mages and want a staff option?

That could very well be a thing and to be honest I hope so, for me being a mage means using my staff to create powerful spell or at least be able to attack from a distance. Having an augment to add a range spell to the basic attack seems like a great idea!

Atama

Happymeal2415 wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

(The potion launcher is not confirmed to be in the MMORPG as it was in Apocalypse, and it's debatable whether it would count as a mundane or magical ranged weapon even if it was.)

Potion launcher is the cannons from boats

No. potion launchers were handheld weapons that you could use to attack other players in the Apocalypse test they did (it was a Battle Royale game, like Fortnite). Last I knew it didn't seem like they were going to be in the actual MMORPG but there was no confirmation either way.

Jahlon wrote: »

Scepter is on the wiki: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Scepters

Interesting, and there is zero info about it except that it's a "weapon" and there is a photo of one.

It's not listed on either the ranged or melee weapons pages. Just the main weapons page. If it's a ranged weapon that's pretty neat. I like the idea of having another option.

I never saw a scepter in Alpha 1, I only saw orbs, wands, and books. (And I never got a chance to use an orb, just a wand and a book. And I didn't care for the spellbook, it was too slow.)

CROW3

It would be cool if we could configure the stave to be either a ranged weapon (with maybe some intellect prereq) or melee. If I want to use a jo I don't want it to fling fireballs.

Atama

CROW3 wrote: »

If I want to use a jo I don't want it to fling fireballs.

Would that make it a...

...sloppy jo?

CROW3

bwhahahahahaha!

SirChancelot

Atama wrote: »

Happymeal2415 wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

(The potion launcher is not confirmed to be in the MMORPG as it was in Apocalypse, and it's debatable whether it would count as a mundane or magical ranged weapon even if it was.)

Potion launcher is the cannons from boats

No. potion launchers were handheld weapons that you could use to attack other players in the Apocalypse test they did (it was a Battle Royale game, like Fortnite). Last I knew it didn't seem like they were going to be in the actual MMORPG but there was no confirmation either way.

Jahlon wrote: »

Scepter is on the wiki: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Scepters

Interesting, and there is zero info about it except that it's a "weapon" and there is a photo of one.

It's not listed on either the ranged or melee weapons pages. Just the main weapons page. If it's a ranged weapon that's pretty neat. I like the idea of having another option.

I never saw a scepter in Alpha 1, I only saw orbs, wands, and books. (And I never got a chance to use an orb, just a wand and a book. And I didn't care for the spellbook, it was too slow.)

Scepters were in APOC, but I don't remember coming across orbs in APOC... I'm sure all of these weapons are subject to change.

Happymeal2415

@Atama It was leaked in the BCG interview with Steven if I remember correctly that the potion launcher was going to be the concept for the boat cannons. Loading it with different potions for different effects.

Sathrago

Im expecting the staff to be the magic damage focused melee weapon, but with some sort of talent upgrades that let you fire off ranged magic? Something like: every 4th attack is a beam of magic that deals aoe damage in the direction you are facing. They could even have talent choices that completely convert it into a ranged weapon, or focus more on being melee. Imagine summoning a magical sword with sweeping magical attacks and fighting people off with a sword and staff like Gandalf.

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