World Quest Idea

I assume most of Players know what am talking about by just reading the title.

I think World Quest will be a nice feature in the game. If players take a look at World of Warcraft to be specific, but with a few changes.

Lets say there is currently 4 maps in the entire game in each map there is about 6 Zones, or 1 depending on the Dev's.

Now Across the the Zones there is about 5-20 World Quests that players get to do on each Zone, some of the World Quests will be harder than others to complete, some might require players to find a group in order to kill certain mobs, bosses, or collect an objective, capture so on.

Now this can be done with a group or with out a group completely up to the player's to do whatever they want, since their might be a few World Quests that needs a group of 4 or more to complete, like ( World bosses but that's different than what am talking about just a example). So on some World Quests Gear might not be efficient enough to complete a World Quest.

So about the difficulty of World Quests, it would be nice to see 3 Modes, """" Easy mode """" """" Hard Mode"""" """" Hell Mode"""".
Now the harder the difficulty the more rewards players get and maybe cut sense gets included in some World Quests for fun.

Now about the World Quests lets say Player 1 got 20 World Quests while Player 2 got 17 World Quests and Player 3 got 14 World Quests. Since the maximum Number is 20 World Quests as I said above, ( of course its up to the Dev's to decide how many there will be. As for Player 2 and 3 got different number now if they join Player 1 to do World Quests they all should get the same World Quests in order to continue throw out the whole Zone, Map. IF Player 2 or 3 did complete a few World Quests on their own, or joined a group did a few and left, as for player 2 and 3 they will not get reward toward the Completion if they doing the World Quest around the Area they did before till they move to a World quests on a new area to complete.. but Player 1 will get the reward.

Also upon completing each Zone successfully there will be a special Chest that we can get maybe turn in a quest to the main city or Look for the special chest around the zone. and so goes for the whole Map. another special Chest we can loot from mobs a quest main city or hiding behind a rock in a cave under dirt and mud under water.

I just wanted to let the Dev's about this idea, maybe it is a great idea maybe is a bad idea, personally I think its cool idea.
and sorry for my English am trying my best.. Thank you for reading.

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arsnn

I agree with the overall sentiment of "not like WoW does it".
It is build as a themepark experience intended to be grazed, rinse and repeated, you are matched with randoms you probably dont recognize at all, while it might take place in the open world it still destracts from it and makes it more barren. It decentivizes player interaction, like instanced content... but without instancing.
Their world quest system is simply geared towards most accessible version possible, while it got striped most of the aspects it could have made actual fun and well designed for a virtual world.

Here is how i could see a similar idea working well with ashes´ design pillars.
1. Make the nodes host "kingdomquest" that are accesible for everyone that is within the proximity of an royal npc. He shows up in intervals (maybe like 6 hours) and hands out a group oriented quest. The players all gather in the city and start the quest from the same spot.
2. Make those kingdomquest unique for every node and node type. Military nodes host pvp events, like king of the hill , or some military node vs military node game mode and so on. Divine Nodes host some raids, not sure about Economic and Science nodes though.
3. Those kingdomquest scale and change with the node´s level. The higher the node´s level the grander the reach and possibilities of the quest.

This would heavily incentivize visiting other nodes so that you can participate in their unique Kingdomquest.
You would get to know other guilds in collaborative and competitive game modes.
Meeting and seeing other guilds gather in town right before the big events could be fun as well.
You and your guild has the choice between a few different game modes that are in the proximity or you might chose to travel further to challenge guilds from all over verra.

Noaani

Vhaeyne wrote: »

There has never been a point in EQ2's history where there was not a game on the market that was not more worth my time.

Based on everything you have said here, from 2006 through to 2012, it would have been the best game on the market for you by a mile. The only thing missing from it during this time was meaningful crafting - but few games had that back then.

Sure, many games try to use quests to funnel players to group content. EQ2 succeeded in doing that, they didn't just try. This is the difference.

The game (at launch) did it from right near the start of the game, there were grouping opportunities on the starter island. By the time you hit level 20, groups were more common that soloing. By the time you hit level 30, there were raids being organized. The most popular content in the level 40 range was a raid - literally everyone did it while leveling in that range - most people did it multiple times.

By the time players got to the level cap, raiding was just another part of the game, rather than being something new that only starts when you arrived at that cap.

That is all because that is where quests that people wanted to do directed them to go.

Groups and raids failing were not all that common - the lower level content didn't have the same auto-fail mechanics that later content had (it would be stupid to have this), and if anyone was not pulling their weight, they just weren't invited back. Most players that played in similar time zones knew which players to not bring along. These days, developers consider this kind of thing to be toxic. Just look at FFXIV, you tell a player you are not bringing them along on group content because they under performed last time, and you can expect a suspension - a joke of a game, honestly.

Vhaeyne

@Noaani

2006 to 2012 there were so many better games than EQ2 "for me" on the market. I tried EQ2 during that time, and I am glad I left for better games. L2,GW1,DDO, WOW,FFXIV,CoH/CoV... I am sure I am forgetting other games I liked more than EQ2 during that time. From 2009 to 2012 was Darkfall, I would choose that game over any other during those years. I would maybe take a few months off to do Ulduar again in WOW when it was new. For me, all of those games were all better. Which is why I played them.

I bet EQ2 did not have the population on most servers where you could afford to tell people to leave based on poor performance often. You might not have had many choices to fill roles. The game was just so hopelessly unpopular that pushing people into group content may have worked.

You are also out of your mind if you think people don't get kicked from parties for sucking in FFXIV. You just have to tell them like an adult. There is nothing toxic about telling someone they need to practice more and are not a good fit for the group at their current skill level. It is very common to see the words "Multiple mistakes=kicked" in a recruiting message. If you set the expectation that people need to preform, only the people that can handle that generally show up. Most static raid groups have try-outs anyway to make sure you are a good fit for the group. That or they are all close friends that are willing to work with each other's weaknesses. No one just puts up with poor performance in actual raids. Even in "practice" groups, people will get asked to leave if they are underperforming and holding the group back from prog.

Crango

I think I explained it wrong. I don’t want World Quest same exactly as world of Warcraft. I just want the same idea but forced in a group to be able to do the World Quest in different difficulty, to explore the world with friends of other players an opportunity to meet new people. And it’s a another content, I get the idea that some of you against it because you don’t wanna be forced to do it everyday. But they can make it a content that won’t effect your power at all. If it would won’t make much effect.

Lol in the current WoW, if you say hi you get vote kicked.. and no one speaks from the start of a content to the end of it, only in raid maybe and maybe some speak because they forced to either flame you trying to kick you or explain the mechanics.

CROW3

I think I hear what you’re proposing. Just speaking as one person on the explorer side - I don’t need incentive to explore, it’s in my nature. In fact, by incentivizing exploration you bound it. I’d rather just let those who naturally wander (and usually get killed) wander for the sake of wandering - that’s incentive enough.

Let the busy-bodies in those town things have incentives to do stuff, to check boxes, etc etc ad nauseam. Some of us don’t need any other motivation beyond what might be over the next ridge line.

Nerror

I would like to see group content dynamically appear as nodes change levels, and with the monster invasions and the whole monster coin system we are getting some group content like that for sure. I don't think the content should be fixed world quests like we see in the static zones of the other games though.

Noaani

Vhaeyne wrote: »

L2,GW1,DDO, WOW,FFXIV,CoH/CoV... I am sure I am forgetting other games I liked more than EQ2 during that time. From 2009 to 2012 was Darkfall, I would choose that game over any other during those years. I would maybe take a few months off to do Ulduar again in WOW when it was new. For me, all of those games were all better. Which is why I played them.

I bet EQ2 did not have the population on most servers where you could afford to tell people to leave based on poor performance often.

OK, so, you don't get to give a game shit about perceived low player count and then cite games you would prefer to play that include two that closed down due to low player count (Darkfall, CoH/CoV), and two that had significantly lower EU/NA player populations the time in question (L2, DDO).

Just as an example, in 2006, while L2 had about 1.2 maybe 1.3 million players, less than 90k of them were EU/NA. EQ2 in this time had about 300k total players, of which 250k were EU/NA. While DDO released with a bit of a bang, it's population very soon fell down to under 100k.

Then you say you went back to WoW to do Ulduar - a raid zone that in comparison to what EQ2 had at the time (and what it had just finished with) can only really be described as underwhelming.

The more you try and convince me that you gave EQ2 a go and that it wasn't for you, the more it seems to me you didn't actually give it a go - or at least not the same kind of a go you gave other games.

Either that, or what you wanted from an MMO back then was drastically different to what you want now.

Kovrm

World Quests/Dailies?? Yeah, nah.. No thanks.

Crango

Also another system can be added is timed invasion on each zone of course all spawn separate and we get between 24-3 days to defeat the invasion and gain a chest full of rewards or currency,etc.

Those system really can make game be a lot more active.

Vhaeyne

@Noaani

I don't know what to tell you. As much as you have spoken about how good the raids in EQ2 were. I have heard people who I have raided with in WOW and FFXIV say I was not missing anything by skipping EQ2 raids because they were lacking.

What opinion would you trust more? Someone who likes the same stuff as you, or someone whose tastes you don't know?

I regret zero of my time in those games I listed. I know EQ2 players who wished they were not contrarians and got into WOW sooner.

In order to play EQ2 I would want the ability to not age and a time machine. That way, I can be 100% sure I was not wasting my time.

The best I could offer is: "Maybe" some day, an accurate and popular EQ2 private server will come out between raid tiers in other games and I will try it. Maybe.

The one hook you have is I hate the feeling of raid bosses being out there I have not experienced.

Noaani

Vhaeyne wrote: »

@Noaani

I don't know what to tell you. As much as you have spoken about how good the raids in EQ2 were. I have heard people who I have raided with in WOW and FFXIV say I was not missing anything by skipping EQ2 raids because they were lacking.

I would think that these people only saw the starter raid content in EQ2, as no one that saw all of Veeshans Peak or Shard of Hate would think what you are saying.

Someone that had only run Thuuga or Protectors Realm (I am keeping this to 2008/2009 content so it is directly comparable to Ulduar) would potentially have that opinion, but that content is the equivalent of WoW LFR raids - my guild was running this content before any of us were even at the new level cap the expansion introduced.

If you knew anyone that was raiding in EQ2 in 2008 or 2009, they were telling you to get your arse to that game, as that is the point in time the games raid scene was at it's best - and we all knew it.

Perhaps you knew someone that was raiding in the games original release, I would agree that the content there was slightly sub-par, even if there was a lot of it. However, we are now talking early 2005, not 2008/2009. If you had friends that turned you away from EQ2 in 2008/2009 and knew what the game was like at the time, I would question how good of a friend they are.

I am, as you know, not going to compare EQ2 raids to FFXIV, as FFXIV has no content that I consider a raid - a raid needs 12 people minimum imo, as a raid is as much about leadership and people management as it is about the content.

What I will say is that FFXIV probably has the best PvE group content of any MMO.

Vhaeyne

Noaani wrote: »

Vhaeyne wrote: »

@Noaani

I don't know what to tell you. As much as you have spoken about how good the raids in EQ2 were. I have heard people who I have raided with in WOW and FFXIV say I was not missing anything by skipping EQ2 raids because they were lacking.

I would think that these people only saw the starter raid content in EQ2, as no one that saw all of Veeshans Peak or Shard of Hate would think what you are saying.

Someone that had only run Thuuga or Protectors Realm (I am keeping this to 2008/2009 content so it is directly comparable to Ulduar) would potentially have that opinion, but that content is the equivalent of WoW LFR raids - my guild was running this content before any of us were even at the new level cap the expansion introduced.

I am, as you know, not going to compare EQ2 raids to FFXIV, as FFXIV has no content that I consider a raid - a raid needs 12 people minimum imo, as a raid is as much about leadership and people management as it is about the content.

What I will say is that FFXIV probably has the best PvE group content of any MMO.

Fair enough.

You could be right about all of that.

Since we are off-topic anyway. Why not consider 8-man groups to be raids?

It's just a term that tends to mean something like: "larger than a normal group.". Why make 12 players a hill to die on? Especially when a lot of the time 10 and 8 man is harder because there is less room for failure(at least in my experience). In 8 and 10 man, everyone really has to pull their weight or there will be enrage.

The reason why I fell in love with FFXIVs endgame "raids" is because the balance is so tight and everyone really has to show up and preform, or you will never clear. You can't just carry shitty players, especially on a new raid tier or min iLVL sync.

Often times in WOW I felt like some of my raid was getting carried even though we were clearing well enough. You see the same 2-3 people dead at the end of a fight in a 25 or 40 man and think... gee did they need to be here? At least in WOW I have seen that a lot. The 24mans in FFXIV are a joke too and I don't care about them.

Noaani

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Since we are off-topic anyway. Why not consider 8-man groups to be raids?

Because 8 people is significantly easier to organize and manage than 12.

As I said above, raiding isn't just about the content, a successful raid is as much about management as it is about player skill, and 8 player content just doesn't call for that.

I agree with you that top end content should be tight, but that in itself does not make a piece of content raid level - it makes it top end content. Tight content like this can exist in raids, but also group and solo content. I doubt you would argue that tight content for a solo player would qualify as raid content.

Vhaeyne

Noaani wrote: »

Because 8 people is significantly easier to organize and manage than 12.

As I said above, raiding isn't just about the content, a successful raid is as much about management as it is about player skill, and 8 player content just doesn't call for that.

I agree with you that top end content should be tight, but that in itself does not make a piece of content raid level - it makes it top end content. Tight content like this can exist in raids, but also group and solo content. I doubt you would argue that tight content for a solo player would qualify as raid content.

Agreed, it is much harder to manage. I'll give you that. I just never think of it as a "raid skill", more like just a pre-raid hassle that everyone has to deal with.

I guess the line has to be drawn somewhere. If there was a game where the party size was three(tank,dps,healer) and a raid was six... I would feel pretty strange about calling that a raid.

People/FFXIV just uses the word raid for lack of a better word. I mean, there is the word "full party" in FFXIV, but it doesn't roll off the tongue like raid.

Crango

Anyway lets keep the comments relevant to the post.. I still want to know what Steven, and other staff members ,devs think about the World Quest, Invasion Idea.

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