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World Quest Idea

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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited January 2022
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    @Noaani

    I don't know what to tell you. As much as you have spoken about how good the raids in EQ2 were. I have heard people who I have raided with in WOW and FFXIV say I was not missing anything by skipping EQ2 raids because they were lacking.
    I would think that these people only saw the starter raid content in EQ2, as no one that saw all of Veeshans Peak or Shard of Hate would think what you are saying.

    Someone that had only run Thuuga or Protectors Realm (I am keeping this to 2008/2009 content so it is directly comparable to Ulduar) would potentially have that opinion, but that content is the equivalent of WoW LFR raids - my guild was running this content before any of us were even at the new level cap the expansion introduced.

    If you knew anyone that was raiding in EQ2 in 2008 or 2009, they were telling you to get your arse to that game, as that is the point in time the games raid scene was at it's best - and we all knew it.

    Perhaps you knew someone that was raiding in the games original release, I would agree that the content there was slightly sub-par, even if there was a lot of it. However, we are now talking early 2005, not 2008/2009. If you had friends that turned you away from EQ2 in 2008/2009 and knew what the game was like at the time, I would question how good of a friend they are.

    I am, as you know, not going to compare EQ2 raids to FFXIV, as FFXIV has no content that I consider a raid - a raid needs 12 people minimum imo, as a raid is as much about leadership and people management as it is about the content.

    What I will say is that FFXIV probably has the best PvE group content of any MMO.
  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    @Noaani

    I don't know what to tell you. As much as you have spoken about how good the raids in EQ2 were. I have heard people who I have raided with in WOW and FFXIV say I was not missing anything by skipping EQ2 raids because they were lacking.
    I would think that these people only saw the starter raid content in EQ2, as no one that saw all of Veeshans Peak or Shard of Hate would think what you are saying.

    Someone that had only run Thuuga or Protectors Realm (I am keeping this to 2008/2009 content so it is directly comparable to Ulduar) would potentially have that opinion, but that content is the equivalent of WoW LFR raids - my guild was running this content before any of us were even at the new level cap the expansion introduced.

    I am, as you know, not going to compare EQ2 raids to FFXIV, as FFXIV has no content that I consider a raid - a raid needs 12 people minimum imo, as a raid is as much about leadership and people management as it is about the content.

    What I will say is that FFXIV probably has the best PvE group content of any MMO.

    Fair enough.

    You could be right about all of that.

    Since we are off-topic anyway. Why not consider 8-man groups to be raids?

    It's just a term that tends to mean something like: "larger than a normal group.". Why make 12 players a hill to die on? Especially when a lot of the time 10 and 8 man is harder because there is less room for failure(at least in my experience). In 8 and 10 man, everyone really has to pull their weight or there will be enrage.

    The reason why I fell in love with FFXIVs endgame "raids" is because the balance is so tight and everyone really has to show up and preform, or you will never clear. You can't just carry shitty players, especially on a new raid tier or min iLVL sync.

    Often times in WOW I felt like some of my raid was getting carried even though we were clearing well enough. You see the same 2-3 people dead at the end of a fight in a 25 or 40 man and think... gee did they need to be here? At least in WOW I have seen that a lot. The 24mans in FFXIV are a joke too and I don't care about them.
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited January 2022
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    Since we are off-topic anyway. Why not consider 8-man groups to be raids?
    Because 8 people is significantly easier to organize and manage than 12.

    As I said above, raiding isn't just about the content, a successful raid is as much about management as it is about player skill, and 8 player content just doesn't call for that.

    I agree with you that top end content should be tight, but that in itself does not make a piece of content raid level - it makes it top end content. Tight content like this can exist in raids, but also group and solo content. I doubt you would argue that tight content for a solo player would qualify as raid content.
  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    Because 8 people is significantly easier to organize and manage than 12.

    As I said above, raiding isn't just about the content, a successful raid is as much about management as it is about player skill, and 8 player content just doesn't call for that.

    I agree with you that top end content should be tight, but that in itself does not make a piece of content raid level - it makes it top end content. Tight content like this can exist in raids, but also group and solo content. I doubt you would argue that tight content for a solo player would qualify as raid content.

    Agreed, it is much harder to manage. I'll give you that. I just never think of it as a "raid skill", more like just a pre-raid hassle that everyone has to deal with.

    I guess the line has to be drawn somewhere. If there was a game where the party size was three(tank,dps,healer) and a raid was six... I would feel pretty strange about calling that a raid.

    People/FFXIV just uses the word raid for lack of a better word. I mean, there is the word "full party" in FFXIV, but it doesn't roll off the tongue like raid.
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  • CrangoCrango Member
    Anyway lets keep the comments relevant to the post.. I still want to know what Steven, and other staff members ,devs think about the World Quest, Invasion Idea.
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