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Predatory FOMO emails

I was looking forward to this game, but honestly these emails are a huge red flag. A lot of us have had enough with this psychological nonsense creeping into Every. Single. Aspect. Of gaming. Your target audience is comprised, in large part, of people with high degrees of susceptibility to exploitation. It's completely tonedeaf, especially in light of Diablo pulling the curtain back entirely with its awful monetization.

I'm pretty much fed up with the mind games at this point. And I know I'm not the only one. I hope the extra quick cash you make from fomo sales is worth losing players. Because you lost me.
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  • OkeydokeOkeydoke Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
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  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    Vic20 wrote: »
    I'm pretty much fed up with the mind games at this point. And I know I'm not the only one. I hope the extra quick cash you make from fomo sales is worth losing players. Because you lost me.
    Ok :)
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Vic20 wrote: »
    I was looking forward to this game, but honestly these emails are a huge red flag. A lot of us have had enough with this psychological nonsense creeping into Every. Single. Aspect. Of gaming. Your target audience is comprised, in large part, of people with high degrees of susceptibility to exploitation. It's completely tonedeaf, especially in light of Diablo pulling the curtain back entirely with its awful monetization.

    I'm pretty much fed up with the mind games at this point. And I know I'm not the only one. I hope the extra quick cash you make from fomo sales is worth losing players. Because you lost me.

    If you are not strong willed enough to be able to resist the "mind games" of monthly cosmetics, you are probably not fit for the "mind games" of open world PvP either.

    Sure, Diablo is pretty shit, but that is what you get for even looking at a Blizzard game right now. What Intrepid are doing is offering cosmetics that have no effect on you if 6ou buy them or do not buy them.

    The only mind games here are the ones you are playing with yourself.
  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
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    Hopefully the project will survive this setback.
     
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  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    How do you go about life?
    You might struggle less if you drop all the fancy words and learn to let go.
  • LinikerLiniker Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited June 2022
    The best thing about this post is seeing all the +500$ backers going full white knight against the OP that has a good point. "Last call on shop packages" I'm glad my email account already flags those as Spam every month.
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I mean...I don't even look at the e-mails.
  • OkeydokeOkeydoke Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I don't like the sale of cosmetics either Liniker, I've said as much before on these forums. Not on every point, but to some extent I agree with the OP. It just is what it is though. It's the business climate were in across most genres of video games.

    If I was going to make a post somewhere about it, it'd probably be on one of the forums for a game whose cash shop sells p2w things. Ashes cash shop is pretty harmless in comparison.
  • TalentsTalents Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
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  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Liniker wrote: »
    The best thing about this post is seeing all the +500$ backers going full white knight against the OP that has a good point. "Last call on shop packages" I'm glad my email account already flags those as Spam every month.

    No mate. You are wrong. Do you create an account and reply to every spam mails forums or website? Or do you just block and move on with your day? This has nothing to do with $500 backers or your other generalization.
  • KarthosKarthos Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I feel like these types of threads always sound better in thought than they come out in execution..

    The thought is like-minded people will pour from the woodwork, and a huge rebellion will begin, while the company realized the error of their ways and repents and begs OP for their forgiveness. It's a nice dream.

    It really is a nice dream.
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  • LinikerLiniker Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited June 2022
    No mate. You are wrong.

    Nope, you are wrong. (lol)

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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Liniker wrote: »
    No mate. You are wrong.

    Nope, you are wrong. (lol)

    No, you're wrong.

    The OP does not have a good point, and you yourself provided the proof of that.

    The OP said Intrepid were playing mind games with e-mails and such about cosmetics. You said that you just have then sent to your spam folder - which is something the OP can do.

    Thus, the issue is with the OP, not Intrepid. If they do not wish to be informed about the immanent removal of cosmetics from sale, they can simply not be informed about it.

    So, with that in mind, what is their point, exactly?
  • LinikerLiniker Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    No, you're wrong.

    Ok, you are right Noaani, and I love you.

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  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    Big plot twist, yall both wrong B) I don't own any packages and I defend the monetization system. And I'm not even its target audience!
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    Who actually reads their email?
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  • darthadendarthaden Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Who actually reads their email?
    100% this. I check my E-mail maybe once a month unless I'm expecting something like confirmation something I ordered has been shipped. I bought my Alpha key during the Kickstarter and haven't bothered looking at the cosmetics since.......I will be ordering a hoodie if they ever start selling merch though :)
  • BalanzBalanz Member, Alpha Two
    There's another reason Intrepid is selling Cosmetics, and it's not simply to improve cash flow and pay for the development of in-game assets.

    Once Ashes goes live, revenue will be a mix of subscription fees AND cosmetics sales. Fishes and Whales.

    By selling Cosmetics now, before Launch, they get a much more realistic idea of how much the Whales will be willing to buy, as well as what they actually want.

    Thanks largely to Whales (Steven being the Leviathan among Whales), I don't even need to Pledge a dollar to see Ashes through completion. I'm not going to begrudge the Whales or Intrepid anything, I am just along for the ride at this point.

    Right now, I don't need to Pledge unless I want to play Alpha 2 or the Betas.

    Thank you, Cosmetics Packages.
  • superhero6785superhero6785 Member, Alpha Two
    They've already stated they're funded to completion. You're probably best just putting this development journey out of your mind. When it releases & its #1, you'll hear about it and you'll be back. No shame in that. This journey isn't meant for everyone.
  • Limited time offers are pretty common. I don't think AoC is doing anything nefarious with cosmetics (though it would be nice if they explained exactly how they work).
  • There is a valid point behind the rant because some European countries has taken actions against aggressive marketing in games. The main focus is on loot boxes but some same elements as fomo is on that list as well.

    Anyway, Ashes marketing is not that bad but I understand if it annoys some people. The main emphasis on those monthly letters have been selling cosmetics and actual progression of the development comes secondary. This has continued years and some people actually buys those cosmetic packages because of the fear of missing out, "last call on shop packages".
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  • ClintHardwoodClintHardwood Member, Alpha Two
    edited June 2022
    Vic20 wrote: »
    I was looking forward to this game, but honestly these emails are a huge red flag. A lot of us have had enough with this psychological nonsense creeping into Every. Single. Aspect. Of gaming. Your target audience is comprised, in large part, of people with high degrees of susceptibility to exploitation. It's completely tonedeaf, especially in light of Diablo pulling the curtain back entirely with its awful monetization.

    I'm pretty much fed up with the mind games at this point. And I know I'm not the only one. I hope the extra quick cash you make from fomo sales is worth losing players. Because you lost me.

    I can live with FOMO cosmetics in the cash shop. If intrepid needs money, cosmetics are, imo, completely fair game because they do not affect the gameplay.
  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited June 2022
    Anyways.
    Ferryman wrote: »
    There is a valid point behind the rant because some European countries has taken actions against aggressive marketing in games. The main focus is on loot boxes but some same elements as fomo is on that list as well.

    Anyway, Ashes marketing is not that bad but I understand if it annoys some people. The main emphasis on those monthly letters have been selling cosmetics and actual progression of the development comes secondary. This has continued years and some people actually buys those cosmetic packages because of the fear of missing out, "last call on shop packages".

    Such posts as the OP should be given 0 ground or encouragement/"understanding".

    The account is one days old and the language is full of marketing jargon. This is not how an annoyed user acts. This is a deliberetly harmful BS post. As if that person wouldnt play a new mmo when AOC releashes. In a heartbeat they would.

    I wish suchs topics were removed straight away. They are simple attacks on IS abd AoC. Just delete them. They are not even refering to its development.
  • edited June 2022
    Vic20 wrote: »
    I was looking forward to this game, but honestly these emails are a huge red flag. A lot of us have had enough with this psychological nonsense creeping into Every. Single. Aspect. Of gaming. Your target audience is comprised, in large part, of people with high degrees of susceptibility to exploitation. It's completely tonedeaf, especially in light of Diablo pulling the curtain back entirely with its awful monetization.

    If emails about non-p2w unique monthly cosmetics are a "red flag" for you,
    i would say thats quite an interesting hill to die on in this genre,

    I have no idea whatsoever how you managed to throw in Diablo immortal mobile Insane P2W monetization in relativisation to Ashes cosmetic emails.
    Vic20 wrote: »
    I'm pretty much fed up with the mind games at this point. And I know I'm not the only one. I hope the extra quick cash you make from fomo sales is worth losing players. Because you lost me.

    Oh yeah the "mind games", what are you gonna call it next?
    Exploitative marketing? Manipulative and greedy psychological tricks?

    To be honest, your post is either pure ignorance or just straight up dishonesty.
    I would expect the second, but who knows, you might just be lost....
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  • MybroViajeroMybroViajero Member, Alpha Two
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Ferryman wrote: »
    Anyway, Ashes marketing is not that bad but I understand if it annoys some people. The main emphasis on those monthly letters have been selling cosmetics and actual progression of the development comes secondary. This has continued years and some people actually buys those cosmetic packages because of the fear of missing out, "last call on shop packages".
    I don't understand how a monthly letter is predatory.
  • akabearakabear Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited June 2022
    Ah... Vic20.. there is a memory. My first PC was a Commodore Vic 20!

    Even bought a 5kb expansion. It played Ultima 1... at the time, I never imagined graphics could be better
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    akabear wrote: »
    It played Ultima 1... at the time, I never imagined graphics could be better

    Ah, the good ole days of high def orange and black.

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  • Dygz wrote: »
    Ferryman wrote: »
    Anyway, Ashes marketing is not that bad but I understand if it annoys some people. The main emphasis on those monthly letters have been selling cosmetics and actual progression of the development comes secondary. This has continued years and some people actually buys those cosmetic packages because of the fear of missing out, "last call on shop packages".
    I don't understand how a monthly letter is predatory.

    And from where you got the idea that I have said so?
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  • Why are people crying about cosmetics? Nothing they offer you gives you any advantage. Nothing changed.
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