About mandatory PvP.

We've reached a certain age where we just want to sit in our chairs and enjoy a good game, just stay in the predictable zone of bots and AI.

Just like me, there are many players who hate PvP, and who don't want 1% of it. I hope the kind of frustrations we're going to have are just not being able to kill a very difficult boss. I hope PvP combats in Caravans, World PvP and Nodes for example, don't take us away from AoC.

Developers, I'm really excited about what's being presented. It's all very beautiful! I'm super excited for the next tests and the upcoming release!

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Caww

There are many other games with gorgeous graphics that don't require PvP, this just isn't one of them. PvX is required as part of the core game. Massive siege PvP will probably change your mind given the amount of excitement participating in these can create.

Liniker

So, you feel like it's a good idea for a game that has been 5 years in development and went through dev hell trying to get the backend to support mass pvp, to just completely change it's direction because you don't like PvP?

Theres plenty of good PvE games out there, or you can always do what Steven did, put in 40~80 million $ and make your own game with your own vision

This is a PvX game and you will get murdered in the open world and get frustrated from it, you will die to other players that will probably type "easy ty noob" in the chat as they steal your loot, take over your boss, destroy your caravan, brake into your house after a siege. If you don't want to be in a guild and deal with that it's definitely not the game for you.

Talents

Marpo wrote: »

We've reached a certain age where we just want to sit in our chairs and enjoy a good game, just stay in the predictable zone of bots and AI.

Just like me, there are many players who hate PvP, and who don't want 1% of it. I hope the kind of frustrations we're going to have are just not being able to kill a very difficult boss. I hope PvP combats in Caravans, World PvP and Nodes for example, don't take us away from AoC.

Developers, I'm really excited about what's being presented. It's all very beautiful! I'm super excited for the next tests and the upcoming release!

If you don't want PvP you have a selection of basically every other Western-made MMO in the last 18 years.

Cutie

The truth is players have gotten too comfortable with todays MMORPGS's and never really experienced any meaningful combination of PvP and PvE that has been implemented the right way.

Many MMO's are catering to separate PvE and PvP from MMO's to a point where they both feel like two very different games.

To combine both is where the real engagements come from that you get from MMO's. If you don't want that aspect then I suggest sticking to modded Skyrim which is a wet dream for PvE enjoyers, even to this day...

Ferryman

@Marpo I think that open world PvP is the only real threat for PvE players because it is the nonconsensual PvP content, but even then there will be the corruption system to protect peaceful players. Only future tests will show how much restrictions will be needed, however, devs do not want AoC to become a gankbox why we can presume to have significant OW PvP rules.

I think otherwise players can avoid PvP mainly or even totally. Of course some PvP actions can affect to the players indirectly because of the dynamic world and systems. At this point the situation does not look that bad from PvE player perspective, imho, if you are ready to play in an environment which contains some PvP content as well. However, it is of course understandable if some people do not want to PvP at all but it will somewhat restrict the possibilities. Perhaps it is still smart to continue follow the progression, and later we will see which direction the open world PvP goes... How much it actually happens, how punishing it will be, and how easily it can be avoided.

CROW3

Or, as an alternative to the well-used ‘this game isn’t for everyone’ routine - you could hang with the game and community for a bit, spend $15 at launch and see for yourself whether your concerns are actual issues or ill-founded.

Pretty inexpensive diagnostic.

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Voxtrium

@CROW3 A genius emerges?

superhero6785

You hope PvP doesn't "take you away from AoC"? Brother, I've got news for you, PvP is half the game. Player economy, player competition, PvP (thieving caravans included), IS AoC. Might I suggest a different game to set your sights on.

Deliasz

Marpo wrote: »

We've reached a certain age where we just want to sit in our chairs and enjoy a good game, just stay in the predictable zone of bots and AI.

Just like me, there are many players who hate PvP, and who don't want 1% of it. I hope the kind of frustrations we're going to have are just not being able to kill a very difficult boss. I hope PvP combats in Caravans, World PvP and Nodes for example, don't take us away from AoC.

Developers, I'm really excited about what's being presented. It's all very beautiful! I'm super excited for the next tests and the upcoming release!

This game was designed in the core for unchained, free PvP. Its juts one aspect of the game. If you looking or rewards withour risk then it's not the title for you or people with similar approach. Instead try to find and love other aspects of the game.

Peace and This is Sparta!!!

PenguinPaladin

I think mandatory pvp, can also be an exciting feature for someone not interested in pvp at all. You plan your playing around what you want after all. Maybe you stay centerally in your home node, try and talk with nearly everyone around. Try and make your home safe and friendly. The social elements of, we dont have to be friends, is also the social element of we dont have to be enemies

The importany part is the choice the player has. And i want my choice. Its mine, you cant have it.

Dygz

I don't consider mandatory PvP to be exciting - but I'm not sure what is considered to be mandatory PvP in Ashes.
Mandatory is not a choice.

PenguinPaladin

I mean, if you want to get down to the definition of mandatory... there is 0 mandatory pvp in ashes, you could just not get the game.

I imagine they dont like that anyone can attack you at any time. Which i think can be an exciting game element in general even if you dont want to fight. Coming up with trade routes that avoid hostile players, and your own little secret hiding places to avoid fight. Mingling in town for word on people around looking for fights. There can be interesting parts of avoiding pvp that makes the game more real

Skribby

Forced PvP is the mmo killer. I've been playing mmo's for 20 years. Not a single fantasy based mmo has been able to do it. Many tried, the trend was very popular after WoW's initial success, there were many pvp focused titles. Age of Conan, Camelot Unchained (lol), Warhammer Online (was great, still died), and of course New World and that wasn't even forced pvp.

Comments are always "go play something else" and the reality is that people do, and the game dies. Sweats ganking newbies ragequit when it eventually gets nerfed because people quit en masse. Rewards are never enough for the hardcore pvpers and the pvp dies out because no one thinks it's worth it after the initial 1-2 months rush.

Good luck, I've yet to see it work in the real world, maybe Ashes can pull it off. Solutions are better than telling people to go play another game. The corruption system is good if it actively discourages ganking. Allowing a handful of people ruin the experience for many new players should definitely not be encouraged.

PenguinPaladin

Skribby wrote: »

Good luck, I've yet to see it work in the real world, maybe Ashes can pull it off. Solutions are better than telling people to go play another game. The corruption system is good if it actively discourages ganking. Allowing a handful of people ruin the experience for many new players should definitely not be encouraged.

This can be flipped on you. Ashes has costant pvp. Solutions other than, i dont want it to are better than just saying the games going to die. Stevens clearly got a vision he is wanting to make happen. So persuade him and intrepid, with more than "i dont want pvp"

Go play another game is my response when you say "ashes isnt what i want in a game" with no further solutions.

Dygz

How well Corruption works to deter non-consensual PvP will probably be a key factor in whether there are enough PvE-focused players to support the game. Because, yes, if it doesn't successfully deter non-consensual PvP, they will go play another game.

I don't think anyone will have to persuade Steven. He will make adjustments as needed.
We'll see how Corruption gets tweaked in Alpha 2.

Players can choose not to participate in Sieges and Caravan raids. That's not mandatory.

PenguinPaladin

Lets talk about how well corruption may be able to curve unwanted pvp.

Corruption gives the player, increased negative exp on death, potential to drop equipt gear, flags you for pvp against any target, reduces overall combat potential, and in itself needs to be worked off through playing the game or multiple deaths.

How much time would being corrupted take from you for you not to kill just any random player your cross?

20 minutes working off corruption? Plus 2 hours grinding off that negative exp?

These are the values that will be tested and tweeked to allow a pvp anytime system to keep from abusing weaker players

Dygz

Depends on how high the Corruption score is.

NishUK

Skribby wrote: »

Forced PvP is the mmo killer. I've been playing mmo's for 20 years.

This is all I needed to read...

in every korean game or even Ultima Online, the economy game and the p2w is too strong and if the p2w isn't that strong the time investment to these kind of games sucks versus the "I'm going through and repeating dungeon/raid A-Z".

Nobody casual in these games said "I've had xxx or countless amounts of PvP!", they didn't get the chance, they played the game and the game showed them, if that had taken time to realize, is that it is a fierce open world game where you need money and close allies....getting money sucks (themepark, dull quests, repeat killing, hard resource gathering) and getting great money takes great game knowledge and getting close allies, well most people aren't great at social or sucking up to the better guy.

"NO I quit specifically because of the PvP" <=> Bitch, Ass, Excuse

Karthos

PVP is only mandatory if you do certain things.

For example, you can go outside, ride a scooter, take a picnic, visit your family, watch some TV, cook a good meal, take a nap, or call up a friend for a nice chat.

All activities where PVP is not mandatory.

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