Py'rai Models Are Just Vek Models Reskinned! Give us our own unique Py'Rai Models Please.

I realized today that one of the reasons the Py'Rai bodies look so off to a lot of us, and why the Female face is so unlike it's concept art, is because Intrepid took disappointing shortcuts. They just copied the Vek Male/Female models - both faces and bodies - and modified them to make Py'Rai.

They gave us awesome Py'Rai concept art and it's a race with really cool lore. Please give Py'Rai fans the respect of having unique models showing the race as awesome as it can be. We don't want to be forest goblins. We want the cool Native American-inspired wild forest elves you promised.

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Liniker

Indeed... they have 2 legs... 2 arms... a torso and a head.... how can intrepid do this to the humanoid races this is outrageous! I wish they at least had a character creator that would allow people to change the body proportions! Imagine that!

Thank you @Leiloni you are the real sherlock holmes!

CROW3

Don’t even get me started on Sprite and 7up…

- and get off my lawn! 🤨

PenguinPaladin

I just want to know if the security ankle braclet on the py'rai is unremovable, and if its a functioning device that prevents me from leaving my freehold or home...

I dont see the complaint that they are "just reskinned vek models..."

One we dont have true side by sides, so size is variable.

One has elongated fingers, thicker more "rough" limbs like they survive in villages and not a true society. Tusks, to show different ancestry. Purple skin... and is humanoid.

The other has more "dainty" limbs, antlers, more human like hands, faces, and skin...

I think the female py'rai is actually much shorter than the male, while the female and male vek are similar hight, but again its not a true side by side. And we cant really tell the sizes between the two races, other than they appear similar...

mcstackerson

You know you will be able to customize your body during character creation right?

Yea, they may share a similar body but will have different limitations for how it can be customized.

B_B_Z

They can fix this by making the py'rai a gnomish sized race. Small races ftw!

GethOverlord

B_B_Z wrote: »

They can fix this by making the py'rai a gnomish sized race. Small races ftw!

Get out XD

Enigmatic Sage

mcstackerson wrote: »

You know you will be able to customize your body during character creation right?

Yea, they may share a similar body but will have different limitations for how it can be customized.

how dare you come in here with logic and understanding!

T Elf

I made a comment similar to this on FaceBook when the Py'Rai were first posted there. The Py'Rai and Vek look more related to each other than they do to their closer related races. I'd like to see a remake of the Vek where they look way different; more like a greenie in original concept art.

Happymeal2415

We also haven't seen the vek with their hunch yet

JustVine

Happymeal2415 wrote: »

We also haven't seen the vek with their hunch yet

I'm pretty sure we have though. I'll dig for the monthly update. One sec.

https://youtu.be/GnybRgoPac8?t=1397

Here you go mate.

Leiloni

T Elf wrote: »

I made a comment similar to this on FaceBook when the Py'Rai were first posted there. The Py'Rai and Vek look more related to each other than they do to their closer related races. I'd like to see a remake of the Vek where they look way different; more like a greenie in original concept art.

I agree except I'd prefer they redo the Py'Rai as well or instead. They don't look like elves and I, too would prefer to see them closer to the concept art.

Dygz

GethOverlord wrote: »

Get out XD

Nope !
😅

Songcaller

I would also prefer Py'Rai to look like the concept art - having bought tons of cosmetics based off the original concept art. However, I think the Py'Rai Antlers will look spiffing in my cosmetic head dress below:

Still, I would prefer a gorgeous Wood Elf considering I'll be playing in 8k. Yet, the whole concept could be stellar indeed if the gameplay is good. Tough choices all round. My initial reaction was the same as Leiloni's. I think the Wood Elves should be unique but I still hope the anklets and bracelets can be removed in character creation.

WHIT3ROS3

Well of course. Do people have any idea how much time and effort it takes to make a 2d concept into a 3d model? Then you have all the texturing, rigging and animating?

Having 9 character races is already incredibly ambitious. To then ask for each one to also be individually rigged and animated is just not being conscious of the tremendous bloat that would add to dev time.

Songcaller

WHIT3ROS3 wrote: »

Well of course. Do people have any idea how much time and effort it takes to make a 2d concept into a 3d model? Then you have all the texturing, rigging and animating?

Having 9 character races is already incredibly ambitious. To then ask for each one to also be individually rigged and animated is just not being conscious of the tremendous bloat that would add to dev time.

So, your argument for not having the base concept created was because added horns and weird skin textures took less work than the smooth, beautiful Wood Nymphs of the concept art?

Moonlup

Yeah they do look similar but this is just the default appearance that we have seen in a neutral pose.

Also look at how the Vek male stands and moves in the season tech demo vid.

The vek have a troll/goblin like animation whilst the wood elves are upright and graceful.

Remember that we can grab and scale parts of the body - you can create a big buff vek or a skinny elf so I'm not worried.

Mag7spy

Races don't need to be akin to monsters which each one being completely different in body shape on every element. They are both different and well enough to me where i can see both and know they are different.

Yes things take a lot of dev time as mentioned above but that is only the jest of it. Armor sets and such need to apply to all races in the game, there needs to be a certain amount of consistently so work load isn't ridiculous. Else instead of doing one main armour set and some adjusted, you are doing some main armour sets and major adjustments.

Eventually you have to realize you are getting to the point of nit picking unless it is a major difference, and you are nit picking while wanting them to do many hundreds more hours of work. They have put a system in that will allow you to adjust the face and shape in ways you want that is going to be very advanced as shown. There is only so much change you can do as everyone is humanoid.

So to me model is kind and you will be able to customize it in any weird type of fashion you want.

Songcaller

Yes, we understand these facets. I have myself changed my purchase patterns as a result of these models. Yet, it is far easier to transpose armour models and renders to the original concept art than it is to modify these armour sets for horns which were not in the original concept art. It matters not how many ways you try to say its less work, when, it was not less work and is not less work.

Asgerr

So these are the threads that actually take the place of more intelligent discussion, huh? Why am I not surprised...

MIB

I liked the concept art for the Py'rai https://ashesofcreation.wiki/File:ss-2022-02-27-00_52_25-00001.png
but yeah the face/head of the completed model does not fit the concept as well. The concept has more wild looking eyebrows and the face is a more youthful innocent face rather than the older and angular features of the Vek and Empyrean. Think they should tweak the eyebrows of for the Py'rai for a wilder look and more detail and texture to the antlers. Just like the bark of a tree they should have slight color and texture variation. They also should have the ears looking different than the Empyrean. They should be elf ears like the concept with a hint of the beast in the ears as well to go with the antlers. Further, the model looks way too skinny although I realize that can be adjusted in the chargen. Wild Elves should have more meat on their bones to reflect their wild and athletic nature. Go away from the tall skinny regal noble look of the Empyrean and go more for a lithe but strong musculature in a smaller body like a panther might have.

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