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Would placing a bounty on a player be considered greifing

PenguinPaladinPenguinPaladin Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
in General Discussion
Lets say i dont like @dygz.

Lets say i put in my time and effort to obtain gold in ashes. And lets say i offer, by word of mouth 1000 gold to slay dygz to any and all takers. Would this be an act that is expected to be reported? Or is this a social interaction that is available in ashes of creation.

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  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    I mean, that doesn't seem to break any rules, except for many moral ones? PKing is allowed, paying others to do your job is allowed (mercs and shit), so why couldn't a PK be a job?

    There's the questions of repeatability of such actions and whether at some arbitrary limit it goes from feature to harassment, but I don't think Intrepid have given any such limits? Or maybe I've missed them doing so.
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    Man, @Dygz. :o I guess, make sure you're nice to the penguins in the arctic biome.

    I don't see anything wrong with 'unofficial' bounty hunting. Clearly the only thing you would need to close the loop is some trophy as proof.
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  • PenguinPaladinPenguinPaladin Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Man, @Dygz. :o I guess, make sure you're nice to the penguins in the arctic biome.

    I don't see anything wrong with 'unofficial' bounty hunting. Clearly the only thing you would need to close the loop is some trophy as proof.

    I mean with streaming and capture software and such... proof is probably not all that hard to come by
  • mcstackersonmcstackerson Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I'll defend dygz for free with the pvp going his way. Maybe i'd be a little rude and let someone kill him for corruption so i can swoop in at a chance at their gear.

    This isn't abusing any mechanics in the game so i'm not sure why this would be an issue.

    I think the issue would be if you are harassing them, especially if your harassment goes out of the game.
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    PenguinPaladin wrote: »
    I mean with streaming and capture software and such... proof is probably not all that hard to come by

    I know this is straying into the 'how' while you're focusing on the 'what.' But I''d definitely want something tangible in game as proof. Anything originating outside the game is way too easy to manipulate... but I digress

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  • AzheraeAzherae Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited August 2022
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Man, @Dygz. :o I guess, make sure you're nice to the penguins in the arctic biome.

    I don't see anything wrong with 'unofficial' bounty hunting. Clearly the only thing you would need to close the loop is some trophy as proof.

    The Penguin Mafia will hunt you down if you hurt one of their own...

    (This is an FFXI reference so it's just an in joke for someone else)

    EDIT: Clarified reference context for any potentially curious.
    ♪ One Gummy Fish, two Gummy Fish, Red Gummy Fish, Blue Gummy Fish ♪
  • PenguinPaladinPenguinPaladin Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    mcstackerson wrote: »
    I'll defend dygz for free with the pvp going his way. Maybe i'd be a little rude and let someone kill him for corruption so i can swoop in at a chance at their gear.

    This isn't abusing any mechanics in the game so i'm not sure why this would be an issue.

    I think the issue would be if you are harassing them, especially if your harassment goes out of the game.

    Thats the over arch of the question tho... is me paying people to kill him greifing? Is that harassment? What if i tell a large guild about the deal, and he has 20 players ganking him for an hour? I mean if i pay out for everydeath, is it still just a deal that is okay under the social structure of ashes?
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    PenguinPaladin wrote: »
    Thats the over arch of the question tho... is me paying people to kill him greifing? Is that harassment? What if i tell a large guild about the deal, and he has 20 players ganking him for an hour? I mean if i pay out for everydeath, is it still just a deal that is okay under the social structure of ashes?

    Sounds like the beginnings of a guild / node war to me, which is all player-generated content that is explicitly condoned in Ashes. As long as the tuxedoed assassins incur the appropriate corruption when killing a green, it's within the ruleset.

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  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Sounds like the beginnings of a guild / node war to me, which is all player-generated content that is explicitly condoned in Ashes. As long as the tuxedoed assassins incur the appropriate corruption when killing a green, it's within the ruleset.
    If anything, the question should be "what if I pay a mayor to make someone enemy of the state, would that be harassment?"

    Cause that mechanic is way worse than just some dudes earning themselves a ton of corruption for money.
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    edited August 2022
    NiKr wrote: »
    If anything, the question should be "what if I pay a mayor to make someone enemy of the state, would that be harassment?"

    Cause that mechanic is way worse than just some dudes earning themselves a ton of corruption for money.

    Why not? It looks like a mayor can designate any foreign citizen as an EotS - does it matter why they decide Dygz over Crowe? I don't really think so. Adding some gold to the equation only heightens the player-driven cross-node gameplay opening roads to espionage, politics, assassination, and node-seiges.

    Edit: here's the reference for anyone: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Reputation

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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    LMFAO
    "I suggest you remember that my operatives would avenge my death - and some of them... are Vulcans."
  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Why not? It looks like a mayor can designate any foreign citizen as an EotS - does it matter why they decide Dygz over Crowe? I don't really think so. Adding some gold to the equation only heightens the player-driven cross-node gameplay opening roads to espionage, politics, assassination, and node-seiges.
    Exactly. And considering that EotS will be a free target for anyone from said state (iirc), that definitely seems way more dangerous for that "enemy" than any kind of corruption-based attacks. And if a worse system isn't seen as harassment, then why should a better one be one?
  • PenguinPaladinPenguinPaladin Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    So far all im hearing is i need to save my gold and dygz needs to watch his back
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    NiKr wrote: »
    Exactly. And considering that EotS will be a free target for anyone from said state (iirc), that definitely seems way more dangerous for that "enemy" than any kind of corruption-based attacks. And if a worse system isn't seen as harassment, then why should a better one be one?

    If EotS has some achievements and a title, sign me up. I have no problem running underground ops to dethrone a mayor. >:)

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  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    PenguinPaladin wrote: »
    So far all im hearing is i need to save my gold and dygz needs to watch his back

    @dygz - looks like penguin's back on the menu!

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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I'll just suffocate 'em with my Stufferton's stuffing.
  • NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    PenguinPaladin wrote: »
    Lets say i dont like @dygz.

    Lets say i put in my time and effort to obtain gold in ashes. And lets say i offer, by word of mouth 1000 gold to slay dygz to any and all takers. Would this be an act that is expected to be reported? Or is this a social interaction that is available in ashes of creation.

    Honestly that sounds like a great idea. I'd make a deal with Dygz to give him half if he lets me kill him repeatedly. Win/Win for all.
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    Nerror wrote: »
    Honestly that sounds like a great idea. I'd make a deal with Dygz to give him half if he lets me kill him repeatedly. Win/Win for all.

    Can I get 15% if I help clear your corruption and hand your gear back to you?

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  • NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited August 2022
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Nerror wrote: »
    Honestly that sounds like a great idea. I'd make a deal with Dygz to give him half if he lets me kill him repeatedly. Win/Win for all.

    Can I get 15% if I help clear your corruption and hand your gear back to you?

    Sure, but half of that comes out of Dygz's cut!
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