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What kind of Augment schools you want to see from secondary class choice?
Gates2Valhalla
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What we know is mage as secondary will probably provide fire/ice/wind/teleportation augment schools, cleric will provide death/?/?/life augment schools. What other class augment schools you want to see or predict seing and how they might improve primary class skills?
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Each secondary archetype offers four different schools of augmentation.
For example: A Mage offers Teleportation and elemental schools of augments.
The Mage archetype offers four elemental schools as augments to a character's primary skills.
If we were to assume each elemental school was its own school of augmentation, we'd have a total of 5 schools of augmentation, including teleportation. One more than we should.
For this reason, it's my understanding that all the elemental schools of augments will come from one school of augmentation, and we have two schools of augmentation that are yet to be confirmed.
Teleportation/Elemental/***/***
If anyone has any other information on this, I would appreciate if they would share it.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Augments
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Elements
9 race augments.
6 primary religions and a tulnar religion. The wiki says "strong religions provide a uniqe augment" so who knows how many religious augments there really are.
And social organization augments, again who knows how many there could be.
And i think we have teleportation nailed down.
The quote "The Mage archetype offers four elemental schools as augments to a character's primary skills." If telepotation is a form of elemental magic then "elemental" is not its own augment. If teleportation is not a form of elemental magic, then perhaps an augment such as primal elements or something like that, gives you access to 4 elemental types.
However, not all games/media follows the avatars, 4 elements.
Fire, water, earth, air, space, light, dark, blah blah blah. We dont know what all "the elements" are in ashes.
I guess using the wikis terminology, replace space with planar...
That being said. If space is an elemental magic, and teleportation is just an effect from the space elemental augment, then mage probably has fire, ice, and lightning. As its other augments.
This also lines up for cleric to have a light natured augment. And rouge to have a dark natured augment. Wrapping up "all elements" into a single augment would be extreamly limiting to other classes in the terms of creating more augments.
Unless they take the unique packs of elements route. Where:
mage has the primal elements augment granting it access to 4 elements.
Cleric could have holy elements augment, granting light and dark and maybe fire and earth.
And so on. This way the classes could have some overlaping effects they could grant while each augment itself is still unique.
But my bet is on the mage having Planar, fire, ice, lightning. And the teleportation effect comes from the planar augment. And im assuming steven calling it the teleportation augment in his example way back when was just to keep things simple. As his example was probably the most simple, and self explanitory as it could be.
Also, it's 32 Archetype augment Schools.
Whats an augment school, over an augment itself?
Both of these comes from the wiki. One saying your secondary archetype gives you 4 augments. One saying it gives you 4 augment schools. What is the difference in terminology?
Tell me the difference nerd.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Augments#Class_augments
Each secondary archetype offers four different schools of augmentation.[20][23] Each augment school affects a primary archetype's skills in different ways.[24]
For example: A Mage offers Teleportation and elemental schools of augments. These augments will affect a Fighter's primary skills differently than a Cleric's.[20][24]
FEB 09, 2018 [23]
mark 42:07
"The augment tree is determined by your Secondary Class choice.
Each Secondary Class choice will have a base minimum of 4, at this time (we'll be testing this, but...),
they have 4 augment choices."
---Steven
DEC 17, 2019 [24]
mark 1:13:32
"The Mage augment is the same grouping, but the way it affects the Active Skill... you only receive Active Skills from your Primary Archetype... and then it gets augmented by your Secondary choice.
The Augment School... it wil yield a different effect because the base Active Skill is different, but... the parent augment (School) is the same, like Teleportation...Elemental...you take the Mage groupings of augments...
You have Teleportation, you have the Elements... those two things get applied to different Active Skills based on your base subclass."
---Steven
JUL 19, 2020 [20]
mark 1:05:58
"If you were to choose Mage as your Secondary Archetype to crete your class, you would have access to Mage augments. So, there's going to be 4 Schools of augmentation for each Archetype. One of the Schools for the Mage is the Teleport School. You can take that Teleport augment and apply it to your Charge skill and now, instead of Charging x distance over time, you're going to immediately Teleport to the target, dealing x damage and condition modifier.
If you were to apply the Elemental School to your [Active Skill], you would Charge x distance, upon reaching target, you would ste the target ablaze, if it's Fire, you would electrocute them and deal damage over time (if it's Lightning) in addition to said condition modifier."
---Steven
Well, while he is off finding the difference....
I though the change in terminology simply came from augments being something you had to invest skillpoints to unlock and level up. You dont just get them. So saying you get an augment, sounds like you can just use it, where saying you get access to an augment school allows you to invest points into using it....
But you seem to be implying that geting the elemental augment school, allows you to investil into and use any elemental augment, which doesnt sound right to me.
I mean yeah. That is the always gone to example when someone brings up augments...
But again... the differences in examples is great. The teleport school has... teleport. Where the elemental school have various types of damage to choose from?
This seems like a talk about concepts, not an example of existing schools.... imo.
Also this still doesnt explain the difference between an augment and a school of augmentation. The terminology is still vauge.
The Elemental School is easier to give multiple examples, like Fire, Ice, Lightning, etc.
Um.
An augment is the specific augment that gets applied to the Active Skill.
Augment School is the grouping of specific augments.
The Elemental School is the category that includes Fire, Ice and Lightning augments.
So you are saying a secondary archetype gives access to 4 schools of augments, meaning your secondary isnt giving you 4 augments but 4 groups of several augments?
That's how I understand what Steven is saying at least. Tons we don't know obviously. Some skills can be limited to only one or two augment choices within a certain school perhaps, which blurs the line a little.
All I can say is that if the Mage augments are all:
"Different Elemental Option Augment"
Then I have no hope for this game in the end, and I too, would appreciate clarification since @Vaknar actually gave this as an answer for a Q&A recently and quoted the same thing from the wiki.
I'm certainly not here to campaign that Intrepid change something from their vision to what I'd like better, but I would definitely like to know if to stop caring.
With that said, we hope to have updates for you on classes and augments very soon. It's something our teams are working diligently on ^_^
Like OP suggested, I would love to see you all come up with additional ideas for augments for secondary classes! What can you imagine, I wonder? 🤔💭
I wouldnt go so far to say "different elemental option augments" is a let down... depending on how they effect the skills ot could still be a very high variety of changes. Especially knowing there are like 10-20 augments available outside of your secondary class. But clearification, and at the very least more and better examples would be nice.
So a fighter could take the summoner secondary and have augments that both
All for one- summon additional sources for their attacks, like floating blades.
And one for all- summon "traits of their minions" like phantasmic horns or additional arms, showing they are buffed by a summoned aspect
To each their own.
To me, it'd be a letdown compared to what I expect and experience in games, but it'd definitely be more than enough for some others, and I would hope for it to be done in whatever way those people would most prefer.
RPGs rarely make that distinction, though.
I'm expecting Ranger to have a Nature augment School (with Nature being a damage type). Could be that Stealth falls under there. I would also expect to see Snare augments in one of the Ranger Schools.
I'm also expecting to see Rogues have a Shadow augment School (with Shadow being a damage type). Could be that Stealth falls under there. Trap augments should be in one of the Rogue Schools (I'm kinda hoping for one to be in the Shadow School).
Bleeds and Poisons are likely Rogue augment Schools. I think (Smoke) Bombs instead of Fire?
I'm thinking Bards will have Illusions - which allows us to have Charlatan and Trickster, but... could be Rogue, as well.