Hunger and thirst

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I wonder if it would be possible to add hunger and thirst to the game, for players and their mounts.

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Taleof2Cities

Another "no".

If I wanted to do that, I'd play a survival genre like 'Ark'.

Strevi

Parsalian wrote: »

As most other commenters mentioned, food does exist in MMO RPGS as an alternate buffing mechanism (nothing new), but not in a survival or necessity capacity. And like others mentioned, it could be tied to a quest or quest-line in which you do need to manage hunger and thirst, but over the lifetime of the game I can only see it being a net negative and tedious for most players.

Since you mention "quest after quest" I feel I should point out that just because that's how games within the MMO RPG genre have historically done things doesn't mean it has to be done that way. I'm not saying that it will be any different in Ashes (obviously there's going to be a lot of questing), but it should be noted that a genre doesn't define how a game actually plays, only the style of game (or the focus of the content, if you will).

Ok, I give up on the hunger and thirst idea.

If the raw food: fish, crops, milk, eggs... are meant to prepare buffing food and potions, to be used before and during combat... then how about a buff effect which has long duration and builds up over 4 seasons?
For example if you are a thief and you want to increase your agility, you would use naturally more often such kind of buffing dishes. Those could give an additional buff of up to 10% by the end of the year if you consumed products made from fresh raw materials.
The short time buffs would be the same, only the long term buffs would be different.

That means, gatherers or intermediate traders would have to chose if they build up a reserve to last a few years or if they ship them with caravans right away to places where dishes are prepared.

Another possible variation could be that these long lasting effects to start appearing after a season.
Then the player would not be able to determine right away the freshness of the buffing food.
This way, some players will stay as loyal customers because they trust the chef who prepares those dishes.

Imo that "trust" relationship would a nice thing to happen.

What do you think about this game mechanic?

Volgaris

I love survival games. And hunger/thirst make for fun game play. But this ashes will have a ton of other mechanics to play with. hunger/thirst will be an annoyance, not entertainment. Put hunger/thirst in an mmo is like putting teeth brushing and ass wiping in a survival game. There's just no entertainment value.

Parsalian

Strevi wrote: »

If the raw food: fish, crops, milk, eggs... are meant to prepare buffing food and potions, to be used before and during combat... then how about a buff effect which has long duration and builds up over 4 seasons?
For example if you are a thief and you want to increase your agility, you would use naturally more often such kind of buffing dishes. Those could give an additional buff of up to 10% by the end of the year if you consumed products made from fresh raw materials.
The short time buffs would be the same, only the long term buffs would be different.

That means, gatherers or intermediate traders would have to chose if they build up a reserve to last a few years or if they ship them with caravans right away to places where dishes are prepared.

Another possible variation could be that these long lasting effects to start appearing after a season.
Then the player would not be able to determine right away the freshness of the buffing food.
This way, some players will stay as loyal customers because they trust the chef who prepares those dishes.

Imo that "trust" relationship would a nice thing to happen.

What do you think about this game mechanic?

This is an interesting concept, but leaves one major problem I can see which is effectively making new players in the future unable to ever actually catch up to veteran players (buffs have been built up over years that are only attainable via the same time investment). This is alleviated by some potential catch-up mechanics later but might be off-putting for prospective new players or upsetting for vets that spent time, effort, and currency building those stats.

That said, I do like the concept of having foo be more impactful than just a temp and short-term buff. Especially with the concept of player-run taverns being prominent in the game. It would be cool if there was some macro level mechanic that was applied that had some longer lasting effect. What exactly that would be I think can't be speculated on without knowing more about game systems but I like where that idea leads.

Strevi

Parsalian wrote: »

This is an interesting concept, but leaves one major problem I can see which is effectively making new players in the future unable to ever actually catch up to veteran players (buffs have been built up over years that are only attainable via the same time investment).

Oh no, I meant to reach a maximum of 10%
Could become only 5% of max player health next year if the player consumes dishes made from old grains or smoked fish...
That means the new players or returning players would catch up in a few seasons if they have the right suppliers.

Parsalian

Strevi wrote: »

Oh no, I meant to reach a maximum of 10%
Could become only 5% of max player health next year if the player consumes dishes made from old grains or smoked fish...
That means the new players or returning players would catch up in a few seasons if they have the right suppliers.

Ahh I see what you mean. Yea I mean that's potentially an interesting concept. I don't know how it could be implemented but I definitely think the idea of food in mmo rpgs has been rather lacking for a long time so something to change their purpose or provide additional mechanics would be cool.

Dolyem

Leave food and drink as typical food buffs and recovery items imo

Mongkhai

Dolyem wrote: »

Leave food and drink as typical food buffs and recovery items imo

This!

Sapiverenus

Parsalian wrote: »

Having hunger and thirst in those games makes sense as it pushes the player to seek out ever-more-efficient means of procuring those items.

It pushes for players to seek the minimum required. lol. Unless one grows ever hungrier, ever thirstier, ever all-consuming.
Which works well enough in Ashes of Creation; being beaten to near-death and committing genocide works up quite an appetite. Fighters especially may need tens of pounds of food to restore health, dispel exhaustion and go back to fighting with a bit of a pep.
Without food players may regenerate health and mana extremely slow and suffer exhaustion for decreased damage and less defense. They may even die!

Rangers could serve a critical role of Hunting. Animals may sprint away and escape without the advantages the Ranger class brings. Other classes may buy player hunted and gathered food; or have to figure it out on their own.

Mages may need to consume specific resources to quickly regain mana rather than slowly regenerate over a long long time, which means traversing dangerous lands, meditating, hiring a bodyguard, grouping out of mutual benefit to get 'mana crystals' or whatever, and buying overpriced items from the market.
Point being that resource consumption is how shit works.

It makes perfect sense to have it in an "immersive world" and fantasy game.

Not everyone wants to play the Fighter class and spam click their number keys for arbitrary progression numbers [XP] and ignore everything else.
Some people want to provide resources to the 80 IQ Fighters that are protecting areas and raiding others. That's just how it is.

Mag7spy

I'm sure food will play an important role in ashes, with buffs and such which will make a big difference in fights. It just wont let you die of hunger is all.

Sapiverenus

Mag7spy wrote: »

I'm sure food will play an important role in ashes, with buffs and such which will make a big difference in fights. It just wont let you die of hunger is all.

I think it should be a necessity for health regen that doesn't take 10 minutes. Especially to Fighters.
And regen should be more difficult for every other class. Tanks shouldn't be quite comparable. . . once empty, Empty.

Blip

Please no, i dont want to play a survival game.

Anonymous332

No, its not a survival game, it would just be an annoyance

Sunboy

Never punish players for NOT doing X.

Sapiverenus

Sunboy wrote: »

Never punish players for NOT doing X.

Platitudes are peak stupidity. You get punished for not dodging, not killing, not et cetera.
And you're being punished by playing a game when you could be doing something else lol. Lose lose Sunboy. Nobody wins.

Sapiverenus

RottenStray wrote: »

That's a hard no from me. I don't need my character to need to sleep, eat, or wipe his butt. Should we have a breathing mechanic for running or a shower mechanic for baths? XD

You could be sniffed out by animals if you don't bathe or coat yourself in something.
Would be a good mechanic.
Your joke isn't hitting lol.

I'm not sure how a breathing mechanic would work, but running and 'effort' could require spamming a button press to mirror physical effort and focus. Simply holding the button could be moderate or low power/ effect.

If you compare that to fighting games or starcraft it's child's play.

bloodprophet

Has been asked a few time they always give the same answer.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Food_and_drink
Ashes of Creation is not a survival game. Characters will not need to eat food to stay alive.[2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCr9yh2Y97I&t=919s

As far as personal choice some like it some don't. But Ashe's is not expected to have it.

Ironhope

Big no.

I do think food and water should have a role, but it should be one like in World of Warcraft.

Where the role is to
- give players a way of regenerating after a kill/kill spree
- give players 30 seconds of sitting down together, leading to conversations and encouraging friendships to be born
- give players buffs
- be tied to the cooking, harvesting, etc mechanics of the game

Sunboy

Sapiverenus wrote: »

Sunboy wrote: »

Never punish players for NOT doing X.

Platitudes are peak stupidity. You get punished for not dodging, not killing, not et cetera.
And you're being punished by playing a game when you could be doing something else lol. Lose lose Sunboy. Nobody wins.

If you think doing anything is a punishment I feel sorry for you as that leads to victimization.
Not killing a mob or not doing a quest for loot or XP is not punishment. It’s the status quo. Doing quest X instead of Y is the consequences of your own actions which yourself can influence. Punishment is something negative afflicted by an 3rd party that you can’t influence.
Loosing is not the same as not winning. There is a place in between win/loose.

PhantomKnight

There should be food to buff stats and food to eat in general and drinks.

But you shouldnt be required to eat like its a survival game

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