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Item sinks for mounts
Strevi
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Tamers will gather the animals as resource and sell them.
Animal husbandry artisans will produce enhanced mounts and sell them.
They all want to sell.
Then item sink must happen
What are the ways to remove the mounts from the game?
Remain 3 and 4
3)
- Why would a player transport mounts through a caravan? Maybe if he moves to a new node and has no that much space in inventory?
- The animal husbandry artisan might also send the animals through caravans to other nodes to sell them, but only if there is enough demand. So only if there is sink for the mounts.
- mounts are stored in stables.
4) I understand that corrupted players when they loose gear, that gear can be lost completely, not in a way that the other player grabs the lost item. Else is not an item sink. It just changes owner.
And is not clear if he can also lose mounts. I think it should, to maintain a healthy economy.
I have the feeling that the game doesn't have enough item sinks for mounts.
Maybe all of them should die of old age like:
Animal husbandry artisans will produce enhanced mounts and sell them.
They all want to sell.
Then item sink must happen
The concept there is this is part of the engine that is supply and demand. So the server is constantly generating these materials on tick as they kind of propagate throughout the world and get repopulated, players are going out there and collecting these things. We want to make sure that there is a driving force and factor behind what crafters and gatherers are out there doing: There's constantly going to be a demand for them to supply these things. Whether that death is from PvP or from PvE these are going to be necessities for players to constantly provide.[132] – Steven Sharif
What are the ways to remove the mounts from the game?
1, 2 and 5 cannot apply to mounts.It's important for a healthy economy to have item sinks, so that anything that can be crafted can also be destroyed:[6]
- Over-enchanting carries the risk of destroying that item[104], rendering it useless for use temporarily.[129]
- Players gain craftable items and recipes from deconstructing (salvaging) completed items.[104]
- A portion of resources and materials are lost when caravans or nodes are destroyed.[130]
- Corrupted players who die can lose gear.[131]
- Item durability (item decay) does not destroy items, but it acts as a materials sink.[131][132][133] Zero percent durability will unequip an item, increasing its repair costs.[134]
Remain 3 and 4
3)
- Why would a player transport mounts through a caravan? Maybe if he moves to a new node and has no that much space in inventory?
- The animal husbandry artisan might also send the animals through caravans to other nodes to sell them, but only if there is enough demand. So only if there is sink for the mounts.
- mounts are stored in stables.
The stables debris might contain mount certificates that can be added to caravans in the future or sold on the auction house.[8]
4) I understand that corrupted players when they loose gear, that gear can be lost completely, not in a way that the other player grabs the lost item. Else is not an item sink. It just changes owner.
And is not clear if he can also lose mounts. I think it should, to maintain a healthy economy.
I have the feeling that the game doesn't have enough item sinks for mounts.
Maybe all of them should die of old age like:
Temporary mounts that drop from bosses will age and eventually die.[90]
September 12. 2022: Being naked can also be used to bring a skilled artisan to different freeholds... Don't summon family!
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https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/51852/a-mount-sink-proposal
Thanks. I'll read every single post before I post here again
That aside, totally agree that mount sinks are totally necessary. I’m not a fan of mount deletion (hard death) especially after upgrading over time. I wonder if we did something like a degradation curve based on time in a stable, down to say 1% effectiveness. So it’s technically still alive, but essentially unusable. At this point you could pay (in some form) to raise it back to 100%, do nothing (but it takes up a stable slot), or choose to euthanize it.
This would create a soft mount sink, a hard mount sink, and another gold / resource sink.
If i had to design a system, then Id go with the following:
This way
That, or make getting the optimal mount a very long (multiple years) progression with feeding mounts in your primary mount to make it better (similar to an enchantment system), though preferably with 100% success if you have all the sacrifical mounts.
CROW3 got a like for a telling something he doesn't like.
This could solve the problem but with a little bit different approach.
Some players may want just to collect them.
Not related to this thread but was an interesting statement.
I wonder if this applies to mules as well.
Killing mules to loot them without fear of corruption would definitely encourage using caravans for longer trips.
and finally the thread was closed
@Vaknar , I understand now how hard is to read all posts. I hope they pay you well.
People proposed different solutions:
- mounts need food to prevent them dying of hunger (does not help the breeding profession)
- mounts age and need resurrection probably with blood from young mounts (could work if I give the young animal to the player and let him decide which one to keep. Should require a same tier young mount)
- can be made into bacon (high tier mounts for bacon? doesn't seem an incentive to kill them)
- caravan destruction (do caravans need high tier mounts?)
Somehow very few people care about tamers and animal husbandry artisans.
lol @CROW3 wants to make mounts more of a 'sink' so developers are afraid of letting them die. But yeah let 'em be bacon.
Economic saturation does not mean anything to most people they have low grasp of econ or don't connect cause to 'subjective' [user experience] effect even.
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Mount breeding would over-saturate the availability of mounts. I don't think server resets are planned so it's a real issue.
Dying from hunger and damage is a good remedy and gives people their niche of Mount Breeding and Care.
If ya piss off the Breeder no mount for you lol. Maybe he kills your mount while stabling it.
Butchering sounds great.
World isn't very large anyway (10 minutes to leave Node influence is a short walk in real life and 1.3 hours is a long stroll).
Food could even improve mounts.
It at least gives Farmers and Herb gatherers more use and the resources are Expendible thus they will always be relevant.
That's gamin' that is always relevant but not necessary.
If everyone has a thing/function [mounts] with no possibility of losing it and always having acces to it. . . . . .
It just isn't unique or even interesting. Dynamics between haves and have-nots don't exist.
It's not that big of a deal to be without a mount though.
Armorering up your Mount or putting a small cannon on it sounds pretty dope though. It's also a material sink and keeps the economy and logistics more elaborate, relevant, and opens optionality for emergent gameplay (more ways to sabotage others including economically, more ways to try and defend against that, more ways for people to contribute and be in the right place at the right time or wrong place at the wrong time).