Arena and Loot Gambling

How about having gambling arenas?
But gambling your own gear only, nobody else is allowed to gamble otherwise people will manipulate results

I will explain as Conference and Divisions since many people are familiar with these terms.

Boring Conference:

0% loot drop division
Carebears
AFK players farming tokens or something
Gold farmers

Grown up Chad PvPer Conference:

50% drop aka junior division
100% drop aka master division
Sweaty PvP

Having solo or teams is fine

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Azherae

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

How about having gambling arenas?
But gambling your own gear only, nobody else is allowed to gamble otherwise people will manipulate results

I will explain as Conference and Divisions since many people are familiar with these terms.

Boring Conference:
0% loot drop division

Carebears

AFK players farming tokens or something

Gold farmers

Grown up Chad PvPer Conference:
50% drop aka junior division

100% drop aka master division

Sweaty PvP

Having solo or teams is fine

Y'all are making me wish I had made some sort of bet with CROW3 about this.

I should make a bingo card.

Arya_Yeshe

Btw, this has nothing to do with economy, this is just adrenalin and filtering off the scrubs and if you are skilled you will farm some gear

Also, people with ridiculous gear won't have the courage to join it, unless they are YOLOing

Azherae

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Btw, this has nothing to do with economy, this is just adrenalin and filtering off the scrubs and if you are skilled you will farm some gear

Also, people with ridiculous gear won't have the courage to join it, unless they are YOLOing

Yes, of course, gotta 'filter off all them scrubs'.

Arcana Heart foreva!

CROW3

Azherae wrote: »

Y'all are making me wish I had made some sort of bet with CROW3 about this.

I should make a bingo card.

We still have time. 😉

Arya_Yeshe

When people have a plenty of good gear to spare, they will bring to the 100% loot drop arena

That is for sure!
Write that on stone!

There will be also people who will bring trash gear and will farm gear in the 50% and 100% loot drops and they will upgrade themselves for free just with loot

Noaani

Seems to me to be a great way to get around any checks Intrepid have in place for RMT.

Enigmatic Sage

It sounds interesting but sounds pointless? if that makes sense.

- If you're gambling gear or whatever resource, is that not just gambling?
- If there isn't a minimal entry gear score then people will just farm low end gear?
- Farming loot from the arena to be sold or used to sell off other gear is as it it sounds.
- It always effects the economy regardless of severity, micro or macro.
- Creates incentive to arena over world conflict.
- Could create reason for people to throw matches especially if certain pieces are up for grabs
- Not much different than having a node provide resources for crafting regardless of entry fee like a poker
tournament with buy-in or house prize pool provided by node itself through mayor.
- a really good PvP'r or group of players could just never have to do anything else in the game if they farm gear
from players and store it away
- sounds problematic to various systems as a work around

Scarctic

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

It sounds interesting but sounds pointless? if that makes sense.

- If you're gambling gear or whatever resource, is that not just gambling?
- If there isn't a minimal entry gear score then people will just farm low end gear?
- Farming loot from the arena to be sold or used to sell off other gear is as it it sounds.
- It always effects the economy regardless of severity, micro or macro.
- Creates incentive to arena over world conflict.
- Could create reason for people to throw matches especially if certain pieces are up for grabs
- Not much different than having a node provide resources for crafting regardless of entry fee like a poker
tournament with buy-in or house prize pool provided by node itself through mayor.
- a really good PvP'r or group of players could just never have to do anything else in the game if they farm gear
from players and store it away
- sounds problematic to various systems as a work around

Sorry if I sound like a know-it-all but I'm just discussing. ^^

Hmm, then you call skill-based pvp gambling? If you are responsible for your wins and losses you don't gamble.
The only gambling aspect would be the player roulette you play in instanced arenas, but if it's done player-driven by meaningful choice or even if you play with tournament rules it is still your skill winning or losing.

We need minimal gear score ladders then in increments that make sense.
Motivating with all-or-nothing rewards ofc too.

I believe it is the opposite effect, where you craft or buy stuff just for doing arena fights or because you lost them by being a weak arrogant Yolo pvper

There should be enough motivation for world conflict other than combat by itself. If not then there is potential for improvement Steven!

But it is more exciting to win stuff than to get it for other reasons.

Then this group found its holy grail in the game. I would be happy for them rather than cursing their play style.

Rather balancing problems for later than less creative, player-driven content.

Enigmatic Sage

Scarctic wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

It sounds interesting but sounds pointless? if that makes sense.

- If you're gambling gear or whatever resource, is that not just gambling?
- If there isn't a minimal entry gear score then people will just farm low end gear?
- Farming loot from the arena to be sold or used to sell off other gear is as it it sounds.
- It always effects the economy regardless of severity, micro or macro.
- Creates incentive to arena over world conflict.
- Could create reason for people to throw matches especially if certain pieces are up for grabs
- Not much different than having a node provide resources for crafting regardless of entry fee like a poker
tournament with buy-in or house prize pool provided by node itself through mayor.
- a really good PvP'r or group of players could just never have to do anything else in the game if they farm gear
from players and store it away
- sounds problematic to various systems as a work around

Sorry if I sound like a know-it-all but I'm just discussing. ^^

Hmm, then you call skill-based pvp gambling? If you are responsible for your wins and losses you don't gamble.
The only gambling aspect would be the player roulette you play in instanced arenas, but if it's done player-driven by meaningful choice or even if you play with tournament rules it is still your skill winning or losing.

We need minimal gear score ladders then in increments that make sense.
Motivating with all-or-nothing rewards ofc too.

I believe it is the opposite effect, where you craft or buy stuff just for doing arena fights or because you lost them by being a weak arrogant Yolo pvper

There should be enough motivation for world conflict other than combat by itself. If not then there is potential for improvement Steven!

But it is more exciting to win stuff than to get it for other reasons.

Then this group found its holy grail in the game. I would be happy for them rather than cursing their play style.

Rather balancing problems for later than less creative, player-driven content.

haha no worries.

In terms of "skill" based pvp.. that depends on what type of system and to what degree of actual skill is involved. If the game favours RnG for things such as defensives, evades, blocks and overall hit chances it is essentially rolling the dice except there is no pre-determined item up for grabs. In a way, lowers the required amount of actual skill by creating a system based on luck vs skill.

Intrepid is already planning seasonal rewards last time I checked. Sure, the players can just trade on their own outside of this system too. It just feels like pointless motivation to arena especially with all the issues that could come from it. If you have an 8 vs 8 arena match, that's just 8 players calling dibs on gear to either use, repurpose or sell. If it's a tournament, players could just quit when they get what they want.

Need's more purpose with conditions or it's just pointless and problematic.

Scarctic

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

It needs more purpose with conditions or it's just pointless and problematic.

Yes.

Generally, I'm against accuracy as a stat, so if skills buff evasion that's okay just keep the "luck range" between stats at a minimum or out of the game completely...
Dodging, LoS should be enough, who needs random stat ranges anyway?

rollox

I would like it better if it was something like a sanctioned node event. Give the mayor a card to initiate gladiator games. And it is up to the mayor and node to determine what the prize(s) are. I.e. the players in that node put up their own gear, drops, and glint.

Creating a situation where if the node wants to have a large festival gathering. The mayor can put up a very rare or powerful item up as a reward.

Provide a node bonus for the festival month like reduced taxes, increased economics, reputation based on the number or gladiators that enroll to compete. Then allow maybe a bookie system to handicap and rate matches and allow betting in that.

Pyrolol

Arya_Yeshe

rollox wrote: »

I would like it better if it was something like a sanctioned node event. Give the mayor a card to initiate gladiator games. And it is up to the mayor and node to determine what the prize(s) are. I.e. the players in that node put up their own gear, drops, and glint.

That sounds cool! So there wouldn’t be a loot arena at all times; instead, such events would be like a PvP festival, akin to Woodstock for bloodthirsty people. Not a bad idea.

Well, I am thinking for many weeks about the possibility of having an arena bank:

Arenas would have an arena bank, separate from the regular bank, so you would fight only with items from this arena bank.
You could only deposit gear into the arena bank and never withdraw from it. If the bank is full, you would have to destroy something to free up space (people wouldn’t be able to use the arena bank as a secondary storage for their items).
The arena bank would be protected against node destruction.

This setup would make players accept that once they deposit something, it is effectively lost. And, they would prepare accordingly, starting with cheap gear and potentially bringing better items in the future when they feel more confident.

Otr

rollox wrote: »

Creating a situation where if the node wants to have a large festival gathering. The mayor can put up a very rare or powerful item up as a reward.

Where would that item come from?

These items could have the restriction to be used only in sieges by the citizens of that node.
The arena would ensure that such powerful items go into the hands of the best fighters.

rollox

Otr wrote: »

rollox wrote: »

Creating a situation where if the node wants to have a large festival gathering. The mayor can put up a very rare or powerful item up as a reward.

Where would that item come from?

These items could have the restriction to be used only in sieges by the citizens of that node.
The arena would ensure that such powerful items go into the hands of the best fighters.

It would come from the players themself. So if the node and mayor attempt to have a very large festival drawing in spectators and participants from across Verra. It would be a gamble for the node, a legendary item as the main prize for the main event. Whether that be a 1v1 duel, or a duo, or and 8v8 battle royal I wouldn't have a problem with the strongest or most powerful person winning that item as the best gladiator of the games.

But it opens up the possibilities that other competitive characters or groups would want to take the time to travel to this node, paticipate in the games, and perhaps become crowned champion(s)

Again, providing not just foot traffic for the node buildings and crafters. But also a temporary node bonus to some node attributes based upon the number of attendees throughout the festival and games.

Heck, even extend this out to the guild castle. Giving the castle owners a mechanic to host a gladiator games which can bring benefits to their entire barony. Perhaps even some political subterfuge with the thought that a period of peace is in place around the castle. Allowing "gladiators" from all around Verra to come. Is there risk in having lots of players from potentially enemy guilds wandering around your castle during this event.

Otr

rollox wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

rollox wrote: »

Creating a situation where if the node wants to have a large festival gathering. The mayor can put up a very rare or powerful item up as a reward.

Where would that item come from?

These items could have the restriction to be used only in sieges by the citizens of that node.
The arena would ensure that such powerful items go into the hands of the best fighters.

It would come from the players themself. So if the node and mayor attempt to have a very large festival drawing in spectators and participants from across Verra. It would be a gamble for the node, a legendary item as the main prize for the main event. Whether that be a 1v1 duel, or a duo, or and 8v8 battle royal I wouldn't have a problem with the strongest or most powerful person winning that item as the best gladiator of the games.

But it opens up the possibilities that other competitive characters or groups would want to take the time to travel to this node, paticipate in the games, and perhaps become crowned champion(s)

Again, providing not just foot traffic for the node buildings and crafters. But also a temporary node bonus to some node attributes based upon the number of attendees throughout the festival and games.

Heck, even extend this out to the guild castle. Giving the castle owners a mechanic to host a gladiator games which can bring benefits to their entire barony. Perhaps even some political subterfuge with the thought that a period of peace is in place around the castle. Allowing "gladiators" from all around Verra to come. Is there risk in having lots of players from potentially enemy guilds wandering around your castle during this event.

I would prefer those gear pieces to be created by the node NPC crafters and "fueled" by the community who would donate resources. Once completed, should belong to the node itself and players would just gain the right to use them for a certain time and to have to fight to retain them, just like guilds fight to retain castles.
But there should be enough gear sets and other reward types to encourage players to participate into these fights.

kassua

I think the Ashes of Creation team is really ambitious, but sometimes it happens that trying too many things at once disrupts the balance of the game. Such problems are normal during the testing phase, the main thing is to listen to the opinions of the players.

Volgaris

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

How about having gambling arenas?
But gambling your own gear only, nobody else is allowed to gamble otherwise people will manipulate results

I will explain as Conference and Divisions since many people are familiar with these terms.

Boring Conference:
0% loot drop division

Carebears

AFK players farming tokens or something

Gold farmers

Grown up Chad PvPer Conference:
50% drop aka junior division

100% drop aka master division

Sweaty PvP

How do you go from one division to another? Like a ladder system? Could be a ranking system? But those get exploited. I'm sure there'd be other ways to exploit this too for the farmers and RMT players. If you can just pick a division, then why even have the carebear division?

Maybe a tiered/ladder system.

F tier = No loot/gear losses, get your feet wet, have fun.
D tier = 10% loot/gear drop.
C tier = 25%
B tier = 50%
A tier = 100%

Rules:
>> After so many matches at your current tier you can join matches of the next tier.
>> Must be fully equipped.
>> Match making, random, no picking opponents. (combats rmt). Can use gear stats to match make.
>> Maybe a gold cost to enter a match, scales with tier
>> Maybe no repair cost.
>> NO XP debt!
>> Keep a run score of W vs L for each tier. Just for bragging rights.

Other ideas.
I'd also like to see free arenas where players could organize their own tournaments and events too. Arena would have no XP debt, but maybe a repair cost still makes sense.

So much you can do with a good arena system.

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