I have my standards pretty high as I play Age of Conan on Fury ( the open world PvP server ). AoC has a very high PvP learning curve. Multiple buttons corresponding to directional arrows must be pressed in order to do a combo. Takes a lot of time, muscle memory and tons of PvP experience to be competent at it. Especially on certain classes. The best PvPers in AoC have experience with ALL player charcters in order to know how to counter. For those of you who play (ed) AoC know it shines in combat, though as all games, AoC has issues. Age Of Creation has the chance to be everything Age of Conan was supposed to be at launch, namely castle sieges with hundred's of players, balanced PVP with the addition of Ultima Online type player placed housing and open world changes to the physical world. Age of Conan ( I cant type the typical "AoC" since that is also Ashes of Creations abbreviation :P) has the best pvp ruleset and coding but tons of pvpers left due to various issues but would flock to AoC if PvP is done with attention to player skill not PayToWin gear nor uber PVE gear that is used to Pvp. No matter the game, pvpers do not like to grind pve. Hard enough to grind pvp experience to gain pvp levels. Any Age of Conan players in Alpha here yet? Love to hear your experiences as I still play AoC and can spread the word