Low level gear should look scrappy and poor and progression should be slow.

I feel your approach won't work because in Ashes we can wear anything and use any weapon. Being forced to conform for the majority of the levelling procession would suck.

Neurath wrote: »

I feel your approach won't work because in Ashes we can wear anything and use any weapon. Being forced to conform for the majority of the levelling procession would suck.

I fail to see the reasoning behind your conclusion.

Just have all lower lvl gear be scrappy and basic.

Neurath wrote: »

Being forced to conform for the majority of the levelling procession would suck. .

Everyone who is low level should conform to being low level, I have no idea what you mean.

You want low lvls with gear looking like top tier raid end sets?

Well, my conclusion came because you detailed half mail turning to plate etc. What if I want a full set of light but have to use the heavier gear because of your limiting progression like WoW.

Veeshan

more basic looking gear i thin be fine lower on in the game (Group content should have low level shiny gear though like the stuff in the tank showcase) but i do think the game need some lower quality looking equipment. I think the main issue atm is the devs only realy have high quality stuff to show us since alot of it is coming out of there cosmetic packs which they need to make look pretty, so there a good chance that there low quality looking gear in the works however there more priority into the pretty/shiny looking stuff atm due to cosmetic packs

I often transmog the higher tier stuff to look like lower tier stuff but I've also bought a lot of cosmetics.

I'm fairly sure cleric and fighter are wearing a cosmetic set that won't be achievable in-game, so you can disregard them. Tank and ranger look right about what I'd imagine lvl~15s to look like. The "set" that Steven equips later is also a cosmetic set from a bundle.

Never forget that most of the gear they're showing off is just cosmetics from the bundles. I personally dislike this practice, but Steven gonna Steven and promote the game with false gear.

@NiKr I hope that is the case and that you will rarely, if ever, see people wearing ''higher end low level gear'' like that.

I agree with you, the practice isn't a positive one.

In skyrim, you can get a pretty gnarly set of gear super low level (steel plate looks great), but the progression from low level to high level gear still felt significant, because both the time and cosmetic change was large.

Looks like Stephen was wearing traditional steel plate, which makes sense considering he is level 15, now the armor he put on after the boss looked REALLY good, so im hoping that is a much later gear progression and they just wanted to show it off, which is 100% what I think they were doing based on Stephens personality.

Neurath wrote: »

Well, my conclusion came because you detailed half mail turning to plate etc. What if I want a full set of light but have to use the heavier gear because of your limiting progression like WoW.

It was just a random visual example, not an imperative.

The imperative would be low level gear just looking poor, scarppy, ''desperate'' and should very slighly improve every few levels, starting to look decent (as if you're an actual noteworthy caster or knight or assassin) at higher levels.

lvl 15 gear shouldn't look like that

you shouldn't look like a knight at lvl 15

you should look like a militia man

and honestly, even that coif looks a bit too much for a lvl 15, but let's just say for the sake of discussion it came from a dungeon boss or a hard group questline and most people wouldn't get it

I understand the point and agree it would be good but I don't want half of the gear to be useless in transmog. If everything looks similar for the first 25 levels it would really dampen the self expression.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Titanbark_Mail

Voxtrium wrote: »

Looks like Stephen was wearing traditional steel plate, which makes sense considering he is level 15, now the armor he put on after the boss looked REALLY good, so im hoping that is a much later gear progression and they just wanted to show it off, which is 100% what I think they were doing based on Stephens personality.

Here's Steven's personality

Ironhope wrote: »

NiKr I hope that is the case and that you will rarely, if ever, see people wearing ''higher end low level gear'' like that.

People will wear costumes from lvl1, so you'll see epic stuff right from the start of the game. It's inevitable with a cosmetic shop.

But it also fits the lore of the game, so I care about that even less than usual.

We came through the divine gates because we are the most skilled mercenaries, adventurers, fighters, and traders and we wanted to send our best to reclaim Verra. I disagree, looking like a peasant wearing cloth is silly, why wouldn't a veteran warrior understand how to craft a set of Iron armor? I am not fresh from the womb.

NiKr wrote: »

People will wear costumes from lvl1, so you'll see epic stuff right from the start of the game. It's inevitable with a cosmetic shop.

Will they?

Don't you need a coresponding set (something you wouldn't have access to, at least not easily at lvl 1) to apply the ''transmog'' on?

NiKr wrote: »

But it also fits the lore of the game, so I care about that even less than usual.

Lore shouldn't have priority over gameplay and it should support, augment immersion, not ruin it.

NiKr wrote: »

Voxtrium wrote: »

Looks like Stephen was wearing traditional steel plate, which makes sense considering he is level 15, now the armor he put on after the boss looked REALLY good, so im hoping that is a much later gear progression and they just wanted to show it off, which is 100% what I think they were doing based on Stephens personality.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Titanbark_Mail

Here's Steven's personality

Ironhope wrote: »

NiKr I hope that is the case and that you will rarely, if ever, see people wearing ''higher end low level gear'' like that.

People will wear costumes from lvl1, so you'll see epic stuff right from the start of the game. It's inevitable with a cosmetic shop.

But it also fits the lore of the game, so I care about that even less than usual.

I don't think so? Unless I am mistaken cosmetics can only be worn over other armor matching its tier. So if we want to apply that cosmetic don't we need to have that tier of armor unlocked? Or is it just any armor can have any cosmetic over it?

Either way your right about the lore, which is great for immersion tbh. Smart on them.

Ironhope wrote: »

Will they?

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes
Costumes (and pets) don't have a level restriction. Other cosmetics require an in-game item to be obtained first.[7][8]

Voxtrium wrote: »

I don't think so? Unless I am mistaken cosmetics can only be worn over other armor matching its tier. So if we want to apply that cosmetic don't we need to have that tier of armor unlocked? Or is it just any armor can have any cosmetic over it?

It's an alpha. And it's Steven. During the first video he literally GMed himself the pants. Nothing is real here. These are literally the items from that cosmetic costume, just in parts.

NiKr wrote: »

Costumes (and pets) don't have a level restriction. Other cosmetics require an in-game item to be obtained first.[7][8]

Will lvl 1 gear be suitable as ''in-game items obtained''?

@nikr I am not arguing on any ground for anything in an Alpha ever. All of my arguments are just (If this was implemented as it is right now in the final game, how would I feel)\

So in this case that armor he equipped after the boss, that feels like it ought to be higher tier, if not though its not a big deal, still gonna love and play the game.

Ironhope wrote: »

Will lvl 1 gear be suitable as ''in-game items obtained''?

I wonder this as well, perhaps Vaknar will pop in and shed some light.

Ironhope wrote: »

Will lvl 1 gear be suitable as ''in-game items obtained''?

It doesn't matter, because literally all the cosmetics they've sold so far have been costumes. So all the people with high tier bundles will be able to equip their cosmetics right from the start.