My list of problems I see in the game

Corruption
- if balanced to protect too much will reduce the sense of danger
- if not balanced to protect, will not create a sense of community within the node as close players will fight each-other for resources
- when nodes fall, the communities will break apart and players will have a reason to leave the game
- even guild members will have difficulties staying close together if rent in nodes increases exponentially as players join
- bounty hunters will be useless
- mayoral and quest driven caravans might be a chore. Possibly the castle siege caravans too
- personal caravans might not happen
- monthly castle siege events might not happen often enough
- animal husbandry makes no sense if mounts do not die permanently
- crafting new gear may also be replaced by repairing existing gear
- maps designed for 10K players might end up with 2k players
- mayors may cause more harm than good for their nodes
- nobody will want to live in small nodes
- animosity when nodes become vassal nodes
- new players have no way to enjoy PvP as soon as they start paying the monthly subscription
- I hate the mentorship concept which feels as an artificial mechanic to patch a game design error

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Kilion

Dude, I mean no offense but your arguments for or against something in other threads were much more consistent and sensible than here.

You are optimistic to think that there will be a constant influx of new players

No. I said "new characters". Same account, same player, new character.

give veterans reasons to make them gear

No, because new characters as well as new players have both incentives to pick up a job themselves and make their own gear. If anything, they have more incentives to make more gear because high level characters can use the components from that gear to make higher level gear. Meaning money would flow "down" not "up"

Strevi

Kilion wrote: »

new players have no way to enjoy PvP as soon as they start paying the monthly subscription - That's just not true at all, you could enroll in a node siege and operate the siege or defense equipment which stats are completely separate from the characters, there is also nothing stopping low level players to do PvP amongst themselves. Or when they are moving to a bigger city due to character progression they may create a caravan to get all the stuff they stocked up in the old town to the next one; additionally contesting the lower level content of dungeons and points of interests also sparks PvP.

I don't consider that a good enough option.
I want to see clearly stated that players can also level up some skills through PvP. And not by operating war engines to feel useful in the big battle.
Steven knows that low level players are vulnerable and tries to patch that problem with mentorship, to place a high player near them. You think new players will enjoy this? And veterans ready to do that too?

Strevi

Kilion wrote: »

Sounds to me like a significant portion of the things you are mentioning are things that could happen... but only if Intrepid doesn't take their Alpha and Beta phases seriously.
...
CONCLUSION >>> Yes, there are risks in some of the things you mentioned but tbh honest at this point I don't see them nearly as severe.

Steven should think on them.
Or ignore them if he wants so.
It is his game after all.

Ludullu

Strevi wrote: »

Remember, Steven hopes to have over 1 million players at release.

He will definitely get over a million players on release. The question is how many of those stay in the game for future months. If the game is good enough I think a few hundred thousand will stay and enjoy the game for what it is, corruption and all.

Strevi

Kilion wrote: »

Dude, I mean no offense but your arguments for or against something in other threads were much more consistent and sensible than here.

Yes, I am in a bad mood seeing STOP_THE_ASH_MONEY creating an alt account as a coward to start that thread and certain discussions.

Also after thinking yesterday that things are not clear but @Vaknar said that I should not ask 2 questions at the same time. Then next month I asked one, he sent me to the wiki. Next month I asked 2nd question, he said it was selected to answered but was no time and ask again. Then 2 months later he sent me to wiki again.

I'll try to forget that I was here.

Azherae

Eh, I think Steven is right about a specific thing that will really contribute to Ashes' success.

One of the biggest 'sells' in the current 'Live Service' games market is just to be able to say 'they listened to the community and took action'.

Sentiment analysis (treat this as anecdotal, though) seems to support this. Live service models seem to be heavily based on 'taking action' based on the consumer feedback. Whether that leads to a good thing or not relies on the initial design of the game, I think, and the type of player it manages to retain (basically if the game initially attracts a lot of instant gratification people, and then takes action based on feedback, it'll get more like that).

Intrepid's 'whole thing' is 'We are listening and adjusting based on feedback' which I would expect to ramp up heavily in Alpha phases. The only thing I want from them is to define their audience more clearly so they can get a less varied initial group, or the feedback will be all over the place.

This game's design screams that it needs a specific type of player dedication to work, the FF14 model of 'come and play it when something interesting is happening' ain't gonna fly here, obviously. So your list of problems can all be viewed through one lens.

"Are the dedicated playerbases (solos, 'consistent' casuals, avengers, and glory seekers) going to fall off because of flaws?"

I don't see any reason that Intrepid won't get that data from Alphas.

Ludullu

Is that "(banned)" a self-imposed status/nickname or did Strevi just get banned?

Azherae

Move Along, Nothing To See Here.

Ludullu

Damn

Azherae

Mistakes Were Made.

JamesSunderland

Wait, he is back? @Strevi were you banned mate?

Strevi

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Wait, he is back? @Strevi were you banned mate?

I don't know what you seen. I just changed the password with random characters and the site still logs me in with cookies despite that I log out.
Bad security.

JamesSunderland

Strevi wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Wait, he is back? @Strevi were you banned mate?

I don't know what you seen. I just changed the password with random characters and the site still logs me in with cookies despite that I log out.
Bad security.

Oh i see, for a few minutes your profile pic was removed and your profile name received a (banned) tag.
Not sure if it was a forum glitch or being banned and unbanned causes that.

Ludullu

Then I guess that Vaknar ping can also serve as a report of a potential bug? Cause we saw Strevi as a banned user with no avatar.

Strevi

yes, I cleaned cookies too. Maybe not the right ones.
And I get in without knowing the password.

Strevi

I got an email too with the subject: [Ashes of Creation] You've been unbanned.
Probably their solution to change password goes through this.

George_Black

I got the same a while ago. Nothing strange.

Noaani

Strevi wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Players not being able to PvP right out of the gate after getting a subscription is also not an issue.

Ashes is not a lobby game, it is an MMORPG. Players should expect to need to get their character ready for literally any task. If a player does not expect to need to do that coming in to the game, then they are in the wrong game genre.

I want an open world game where players do not waste their time in arenas. I don't care about the lobby associated with the arenas but the arenas themselves.
Yet the game will have arenas
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Arenas

I see no problem if players of close level duel naked near taverns and by doing so, they train some skills.

None of what you are talking about here is a direct follow-on from players not being able to get in to PvP right after creation.

There is a massive issue with players being able to train any skill via duels. It is an exceedingly easy vector to exploit.

Tiy make it so I can train skills via dueling, and I'll go in to the forest one day and leave with max skills a few hours later.

You should only stand to gain (and training skills is a form of gain) if there is a chance you could lose. Dueling doesnt offer up any scope for loss, and so should have no scope for gain.

Kilion

Strevi wrote: »

yes, I cleaned cookies too. Maybe not the right ones.
And I get in without knowing the password.

That happens when you are already logged in over on the regular Ashes website. Probably was still saved over there as logged in.

The "you were unbanned" notification is something that'll pop up everytime you make changes to your account, had a conversation with support service about that just 2 days ago.

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