phone number verification

can we have phone number verification? this would limit botters, possible cheaters, goldsellers and abusing alt accounts if thats gonna be a thing.

example, lets say my phone number is 010 123 123 12, if i get banned on that phone number i cant reuse it on any other account, you have to be verified once a month on that phone number to make sure you still are in possession of that phone number.

steam has done this to cs go, and it was a fantastic drop of hackers in games.

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Songcaller

I agree and disagree at the same time. Many times I've lost track of what uses my number and what doesn't and then its a real pain getting 2fa access once the number has been relinquished.

daveywavey

Presumably there are ways to change the number associated with the account, likely through your email address?

Songcaller

Yes, but, I'm a mad hatter and the systems get more complex. I never remember my passwords, let alone pass codes, telephone numbers and other such stuff lol. Hence my agree and disagree. If i had a choice I would prefer an encrypted access key fobs to access the 2fa parameters like some other games I've had.

Xnate13X

I'm fine with phone number but it will not solve anything. It will just make the botters have to use an extra script for account creation for the apps that give you a personal phone number that you can use for calls and texting while connected to the internet. Absolutely pointless for bot control but will help for security. Just don't change your phone number because it'll be just another thing to add to the list of impossible things to remember that require your phone number these days. x:

Therefore, with that being said since it wont help with bots/gold farmers... you mind as well just stick with a google authenticator. p:

Diamaht

SWTOR uses an app for two factor and that seems to work well.

Depraved

obtite wrote: »

can we have phone number verification? this would limit botters, possible cheaters, goldsellers and abusing alt accounts if thats gonna be a thing.

example, lets say my phone number is 010 123 123 12, if i get banned on that phone number i cant reuse it on any other account, you have to be verified once a month on that phone number to make sure you still are in possession of that phone number.

steam has done this to cs go, and it was a fantastic drop of hackers in games.

I don't want this to be mandatory. what if you lose ur phone or its get stolen?
or u lose ur number?

also, you can get services with fake or disposable phone numbers, botters can use those and bypass the ban T_T

Liniker

Yes PLEASE

daveywavey

Neurath wrote: »

Yes, but, I'm a mad hatter and the systems get more complex. I never remember my passwords, let alone pass codes, telephone numbers and other such stuff lol. Hence my agree and disagree. If i had a choice I would prefer an encrypted access key fobs to access the 2fa parameters like some other games I've had.

Wow, you had to buy an encrypted access key fob just to play a game?! That's hardcore!

Songcaller

No. I didn't go out of my way to get one. It came with some Collector's Editions. I've bought a lot of collector editions across the years.

The problem comes when the access fob breaks lol.

Jhoren

I would like the option for sure.

obtite

it was all meant as an option, so like in cs go, people who verify get to play with others that verify, and those who dont get to play with the unverified.
maybe specific servers require verification....
there was a marked drop of cheaters in games that did this, however ofc there will be persistant cheaters out there that will get around it.
the general population of cheaters out there is just braindead andys out there anyways, so it will deter a big population anyways. same goes with the botters. new world is a perfect example of what happens if botters are allowed to run wild. economy is so screwed, buying gold cap ammount of gold is like 70 dollars.

unknownsystemerror

I don't own a smartphone, don't want a smartphone, and don't need a smartphone. I have no worries about my personal or bank information being hacked because I don't keep it online. If Intrepid wants to make an optional 2FA (as it is currently) I am all for it. But I won't be signing up for their program if they make it mandatory or lock features and play behind it. Anecdotally if they do put some sort of "if you lose it you're screwed" options in they will only increase the headache for themselves on the other side. Just look to the number of forum posts or comments in Discord of people saying "I signed up for this years ago, and now it wants my 2FA? How do I reset that?" and then being told to file a ticket with CS.

Arya_Yeshe

Let me clarify something for you, @obtite. Running multiple Ashes of Creation instances on a single operating system is not possible, so phone verification is unnecessary to address the concerns you raised. Your concerns are simply unfounded.

Moreover, there are now applications that allow you to obtain phone numbers from multiple countries, making phone number verification a less effective solution.

Implementing this would require both time and money from Intrepid, and the potential benefit would be minimal, while it could potentially cause some dissatisfaction among certain users.

Liniker

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

I don't own a smartphone, don't want a smartphone, and don't need a smartphone.

I think you are confused, this thread is about Phone Number verification, and it Should be mandatory.

You don't need a smartphone with internet access to have a phone number and get texts, now, if you gonna argue in favor of those people that don't have a phone number...

that's the 0.1% of the playerbase, those with tinfoil hats that probably also don't use internet and think video games are evil.

novercalis

obtite wrote: »

can we have phone number verification? this would limit botters, possible cheaters, goldsellers and abusing alt accounts if thats gonna be a thing.

example, lets say my phone number is 010 123 123 12, if i get banned on that phone number i cant reuse it on any other account, you have to be verified once a month on that phone number to make sure you still are in possession of that phone number.

steam has done this to cs go, and it was a fantastic drop of hackers in games.

NO.

I havent paid a single phone bill over 10 years now because I use a VOIP.
Stuff like ChatGPT I can't even sign up for it, because it requires phone verification and not all verification tools allows for VOIP numbers.

novercalis

Liniker wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

I don't own a smartphone, don't want a smartphone, and don't need a smartphone.

I think you are confused, this thread is about Phone Number verification, and it Should be mandatory.

You don't need a smartphone with internet access to have a phone number and get texts, now, if you gonna argue in favor of those people that don't have a phone number...

that's the 0.1% of the playerbase, those with tinfoil hats that probably also don't use internet and think video games are evil.

nothing tinfoil for those who dont want a phone number. Technically I dont have a phone number. I am using an old land line phone number from an old job I had. I tied that to a google number and ever since then, I stopped paying a phone bill. Nothing tinfoil hat with avoiding a $100+ phone bill on some shitty carrier.

Google Number + Wifi gets you access to almost anywhere in a city. I live in a major city. guess what, I saved ~$10,000 since switching over to ~progressive~ VOIP. But I've been equally screwed on some stuff / sign ups when they want to verify via phone. ("US Bank", ChatGPT to name something recent) and certain discords servers that requires phone verifications access. I think it's fucking stupid. I didn't pay $500+ on kickstarter to then get locked out of a game.

Liniker

novercalis wrote: »

nothing tinfoil for those who dont want a phone number. Technically I dont have a phone number. I am using an old land line phone number from an old job I had. I tied that to a google number and ever since then, I stopped paying a phone bill.

so... you do have a phone number.... from google....

I have like 3 burner sim cards that I never, ever paid, ordered from free and just didn't pick a plan.... can still receive texts and calls...

so what's the issue here why would you get locked out of a game? Phone Number verification means they will send you a Text with a code and you need an active number to receive it, that's literally it

Noaani

Liniker wrote: »

novercalis wrote: »

nothing tinfoil for those who dont want a phone number. Technically I dont have a phone number. I am using an old land line phone number from an old job I had. I tied that to a google number and ever since then, I stopped paying a phone bill.

so... you do have a phone number.... from google....

I have like 3 burner sim cards that I never, ever paid, ordered from free and just didn't pick a plan.... can still receive texts and calls...

so what's the issue here why would you get locked out of a game? Phone Number verification means they will send you a Text with a code and you need an active number to receive it, that's literally it

Wait, so, what's the point of this then?

And dont say account security.

Liniker

Noaani wrote: »

Wait, so, what's the point of this then?

And dont say account security.

Anti-cheats in games don't stop cheaters either, IP bans don't stop cheaters, your front door lock only stops honest people from coming inside - still, better than nothing

that's the point.... you make it harder, even if it's just inconvenient, that's enough to stop Some percentage of the problem

having to get a phone number is enough to stop Some people from just making a bunch of alt accounts, that's better than nothing

combine that with active GMs, the anti-cheat, a good flagging system for suspicious activities, and with everything combined you are reducing the amounts of gold sellers/hackers in the game

Songcaller

I loved the dev responses to the ddos attacks in a1. I have no issues or concerns.

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