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What is actual purpose of livestreams Intrepid does?
katsuenya
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I know the answer should be obvious to this question, but seriously what is actual purpose of livestreams? The obvious answer would be giving update towards your community on your progress. But then why if some changes are done in development, especially when something is completely cut out of the game, those change are not covered up on livestreams?
Why it required a random guy to ask such random question for community to get update that crossbows will not exist in game. If livestreams purpose is deliver updates, why such weapon cut from the game wasn't covered? Could you imagine what would happened if such thing was discovered closer to launch?
Steven's reply didn't made things easier. I still can't find anywhere "official notification" regarding this issue, just a discord comment(which cannot be seen unless you aware of answer actually existing), that alone worries me. In fact Steven's explanation/answer brings up more questions when it answers, such as:
- for how long you know that crossbow won't be in game?
- why community wasn't informed when such decision was taken?
- did Intrepid was aware of them selling crossbow skin when decision to cut was taken? If yes, then why people weren't informed about their purchase being altered?
- how you actually going to refund the money people spent on those cosmetics? will it just 400 embers per skin (considering there was 4 skins for 1600 embers)? Will you refund fully 1600 embers but let players keep other 2 skins?
I honestly now wonder, what was cut out of development from ~2017 to 2020 (this period is likely where most cuts would had happen, I just guessing here) and we haven't been informed. Considering how many cosmetics were sold during development it only raises questions such as are there anything else being cut from game which had cosmetics being sold?
Anyway, if we want see actual progress and growth from Intrepid, how about taking first steps first and answering question which community is asking for over 2 years and Intrepid successfully still ignoring it. What for are cosmetics?
Why it required a random guy to ask such random question for community to get update that crossbows will not exist in game. If livestreams purpose is deliver updates, why such weapon cut from the game wasn't covered? Could you imagine what would happened if such thing was discovered closer to launch?
Steven's reply didn't made things easier. I still can't find anywhere "official notification" regarding this issue, just a discord comment(which cannot be seen unless you aware of answer actually existing), that alone worries me. In fact Steven's explanation/answer brings up more questions when it answers, such as:
- for how long you know that crossbow won't be in game?
- why community wasn't informed when such decision was taken?
- did Intrepid was aware of them selling crossbow skin when decision to cut was taken? If yes, then why people weren't informed about their purchase being altered?
- how you actually going to refund the money people spent on those cosmetics? will it just 400 embers per skin (considering there was 4 skins for 1600 embers)? Will you refund fully 1600 embers but let players keep other 2 skins?
I honestly now wonder, what was cut out of development from ~2017 to 2020 (this period is likely where most cuts would had happen, I just guessing here) and we haven't been informed. Considering how many cosmetics were sold during development it only raises questions such as are there anything else being cut from game which had cosmetics being sold?
Anyway, if we want see actual progress and growth from Intrepid, how about taking first steps first and answering question which community is asking for over 2 years and Intrepid successfully still ignoring it. What for are cosmetics?
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thats why I made the post. It is not about crossbow. It is about process.
this is not about crossbows. It is about the process. What for is livestream if you don't use your own platform to inform when stuff like this being cut? Especially when skins were sold.
I don't often agree with you, but this is it.
There are likely countless intricate aspects of the game that remain undisclosed behind closed doors, and the sheer volume of work that Intrepid has is staggering.
The livestreams exceeded my expectations, livestreams are extra work and having livestreams monthly is crazy.
The problem is that it wasn’t suggested. They sold skins for crossbows. Every MMO has crossbows. There was no reason to think they weren’t going to have crossbows in the game. So many people act like putting crossbows in a Fantasy MMORPG is some kind of titanic feat. They had them in Apoc!
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/2018-12-08_Newsletter
And I'm almost fucking sure I've heard an audio version of pretty much that sentence, but I can't find it rn.
edit: ah, this kinda fits (from 38:47)
This also implies another thing. The crossbows and launchers that took up dev time back in the APOC days was pretty much wasted, because those haven't transferred onto the mmo.
Healthy debate on the crossbow decision is encouraged.
Conveniently adding slippery slope logic (that there's a larger problem) is not encouraged.
I would imagine they tick a lot of boxes.
- as a Marketing tool
- the spreading of information, and increasing knowledge in the playerbase
- a chance to show off their talents
- genuine excitement about what it is they're doing
- encouraging genuine excitement in the playerbase
- giving the people what they want - we want to be shown stuff, they're showing us stuff
Suggesting that the livestreams are irrelevant just cos they've made the decision to remove crossbows from their plan, well, it's kinda pathetic.
If it really causes you this much anguish, then maybe you need to step away for a few years, and come back when things are more solidified.
It's also funny to read this from someone that just got back from a month long ban after disrespecting Steven on the Discord, next time I hope they do perma ban
Mystery solved lol.
I’m not saying that since crossbows are gone, that means that Intrepid has now lost the plot and now they will deliver a product that is wholly different from what was presented.
I’m simply saying that I feel as though the way it this situation was communicated was not ideal. Weapons that they sold skins for, that could be ported to Ashes, being cut from the game, and that being communicated through Discord is not ideal. I feel like the livestream was the perfect venue for that. I think most of us can agree on that. I’m not a doomsayer. I think Intrepid is a good company.
The goal of the livestream is to let the backers know they will eventually get the game they backed.