When was Rogue reveal supposed to be?

I know it was meant to be after Mage, either the very next livestream or after the world boss preview.

The mage reveal looked neat, but left me somewhat disappointed in the playstyle of the mage and with a lot of concerns about it's viability in PvP.

As I'm either maining assassins or mages in my games I'm very interested in seeing the rogue reveal. Was it meant to be this month or next month?

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Songcaller

It will be after this month. Can't say for certain its next month but it is soon yeah.

nanfoodle

Forget the Rogue, lets see the Bard =-P

Percimes

The rogue reveal lurks in the shadows.

It will ambush us when we least expect it.

Out of nowhere, it will crit our heart.

Kilion

Rym wrote: »

The mage reveal looked neat, but left me somewhat disappointed in the playstyle of the mage and with a lot of concerns about it's viability in PvP.

Can I invite you to explain why it wouldn't be viable in PvP?

nanfoodle

Kilion wrote: »

Rym wrote: »

The mage reveal looked neat, but left me somewhat disappointed in the playstyle of the mage and with a lot of concerns about it's viability in PvP.

Can I invite you to explain why it wouldn't be viable in PvP?

I thought much the same thing. Seems mostly a glass cannon with little defense. The Ice abilities that can lead to rooting, Sleep for CC (seems weak for PvP IMO), and shield bubble. Dont seem to be enough to deal with players kits that have high DPS and ground closing skills.

For me, I would like to see Blink for instance to drop a snare AoE at the point of launch. (Maybe that will come with sub classes) For a PvP game, the Mage kit really lacks much for dealing with what a mage would face in PvP. Focus fire. All the PvP games I have played, healers and highest end DPS always get focus fired. Quick and easy to kill with the fastest way to change the battle outcome. I just didnt see anything that made me go, ya that class will rock in PvP.

Mag7spy

nanfoodle wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Rym wrote: »

The mage reveal looked neat, but left me somewhat disappointed in the playstyle of the mage and with a lot of concerns about it's viability in PvP.

Can I invite you to explain why it wouldn't be viable in PvP?

I thought much the same thing. Seems mostly a glass cannon with little defense. The Ice abilities that can lead to rooting, Sleep for CC (seems weak for PvP IMO), and shield bubble. Dont seem to be enough to deal with players kits that have high DPS and ground closing skills.

For me, I would like to see Blink for instance to drop a snare AoE at the point of launch. (Maybe that will come with sub classes) For a PvP game, the Mage kit really lacks much for dealing with what a mage would face in PvP. Focus fire. All the PvP games I have played, healers and highest end DPS always get focus fired. Quick and easy to kill with the fastest way to change the battle outcome. I just didnt see anything that made me go, ya that class will rock in PvP.

Can you please point to current classes in the game that can blow mage up like a glass cannon and has more chase? Please mention the skills they are using to do that.

nanfoodle

Mag7spy wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Rym wrote: »

The mage reveal looked neat, but left me somewhat disappointed in the playstyle of the mage and with a lot of concerns about it's viability in PvP.

Can I invite you to explain why it wouldn't be viable in PvP?

I thought much the same thing. Seems mostly a glass cannon with little defense. The Ice abilities that can lead to rooting, Sleep for CC (seems weak for PvP IMO), and shield bubble. Dont seem to be enough to deal with players kits that have high DPS and ground closing skills.

For me, I would like to see Blink for instance to drop a snare AoE at the point of launch. (Maybe that will come with sub classes) For a PvP game, the Mage kit really lacks much for dealing with what a mage would face in PvP. Focus fire. All the PvP games I have played, healers and highest end DPS always get focus fired. Quick and easy to kill with the fastest way to change the battle outcome. I just didnt see anything that made me go, ya that class will rock in PvP.

Can you please point to current classes in the game that can blow mage up like a glass cannon and has more chase? Please mention the skills they are using to do that.

This is purely my my 20+ years off MMO experience. Let me turn it around. What in the Mage makes you think it would be awesome in large scale PvP encounters? 10-100 people encounters? Also, are you saying its not a Glass Cannon? If yes, what in the demo of the class makes you think that?

Mag7spy

nanfoodle wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Rym wrote: »

The mage reveal looked neat, but left me somewhat disappointed in the playstyle of the mage and with a lot of concerns about it's viability in PvP.

Can I invite you to explain why it wouldn't be viable in PvP?

I thought much the same thing. Seems mostly a glass cannon with little defense. The Ice abilities that can lead to rooting, Sleep for CC (seems weak for PvP IMO), and shield bubble. Dont seem to be enough to deal with players kits that have high DPS and ground closing skills.

For me, I would like to see Blink for instance to drop a snare AoE at the point of launch. (Maybe that will come with sub classes) For a PvP game, the Mage kit really lacks much for dealing with what a mage would face in PvP. Focus fire. All the PvP games I have played, healers and highest end DPS always get focus fired. Quick and easy to kill with the fastest way to change the battle outcome. I just didnt see anything that made me go, ya that class will rock in PvP.

Can you please point to current classes in the game that can blow mage up like a glass cannon and has more chase? Please mention the skills they are using to do that.

This is purely my my 20+ years off MMO experience. Let me turn it around. What in the Mage makes you think it would be awesome in large scale PvP encounters? 10-100 people encounters? Also, are you saying its not a Glass Cannon? If yes, what in the demo of the class makes you think that?

My 20+ years of experience says we need to see the full kit and not a lvl 15 mage... My experience says in any mmorpg a lvl 15 is not giving an idea of what any class can do for serious concerns.

I get i follow the game too much but based on what they are saying you can go mage/ tank which pushes you more towards the tank archetype meaning you are going to have more skills that will make you tanky. Even with your suggestion about blink having more effects is already inline with what they have said the game will work when you have access to your actual class.Right now we aren't seeing the classes we get, which wont be until we see mage / tank, cleric/mage etc.

Rather then assuming things won't work and trying to compare end game mmorpgs to what you see from a lvl 15 without seeing the in game classes. Mention things you would like to see added to combat issues you could see in the future or tools you might like the mage to have. You don't need to come from a negative angle to start a conversation.

nanfoodle

Yup more or less what I said. I dont see this Mage as a PvP class unless thats all added with subclasses. You suggest Mage/Tank may give a tanky class that can handle focus fire. I would hope the other sub classes would do that with other flavors. As for the OP. I 100% agree, as it stands, nothing about the Mage makes me think its going to shine in PvP. For instance, the Sleep spell should be instant cast. You get 3 people on a Mage trying to cast sleep would be a death sentence looking at how well it handled a few mobs in PvE. With your exp in MMOing, you know players are more dangerous then most PvE mobs.

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Yup more or less what I said. I dont see this Mage as a PvP class unless thats all added with subclasses.

That isnt more or less what you said.

Taleof2Cities

nanfoodle wrote: »

As for the OP. I 100% agree, as it stands, nothing about the Mage makes me think its going to shine in PvP.

Before you start writing off entire classes, @nanfoodle, remember these showcases are still of a game that’s in Alpha.

As always, Steven gave full disclosure in the stream that there’s still plenty of balancing to do … especially around group play.

Whether players want to listen to Steven is a topic for another separate discussion.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Forget the Rogue, lets see the Bard =-P

Yep, would like to see Bard too. Seeing it before Rogue would be even better.

nanfoodle

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Yup more or less what I said. I dont see this Mage as a PvP class unless thats all added with subclasses.

That isnt more or less what you said.

Let me help you, as I said a few posts ago "(Maybe that will come with sub classes)"

Vaknar

Make sure to drop your feedback on the Mage in the official thread!

The team is working hard on the Rogue archetype, and is excited to show it off as soon as it's ready! We haven't announced any dates for when we'll feature the Rogue on a livestream, so stay tuned to our socials for when the day comes!

nanfoodle

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

As for the OP. I 100% agree, as it stands, nothing about the Mage makes me think its going to shine in PvP.

Before you start writing off entire classes, @nanfoodle, remember these showcases are still of a game that’s in Alpha.

As always, Steven gave full disclosure in the stream that there’s still plenty of balancing to do … especially around group play.

Whether players want to listen to Steven is a topic for another separate discussion.

nanfoodle wrote: »

Forget the Rogue, lets see the Bard =-P

Yep, would like to see Bard too. Seeing it before Rogue would be even better.

Not writing anything off, as you said we have not seen the entire package. Again, I'm just agreeing with the OP. What we seen so far does not lend much to PvP.

KingDDD

nanfoodle wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Rym wrote: »

The mage reveal looked neat, but left me somewhat disappointed in the playstyle of the mage and with a lot of concerns about it's viability in PvP.

Can I invite you to explain why it wouldn't be viable in PvP?

I thought much the same thing. Seems mostly a glass cannon with little defense. The Ice abilities that can lead to rooting, Sleep for CC (seems weak for PvP IMO), and shield bubble. Dont seem to be enough to deal with players kits that have high DPS and ground closing skills.

For me, I would like to see Blink for instance to drop a snare AoE at the point of launch. (Maybe that will come with sub classes) For a PvP game, the Mage kit really lacks much for dealing with what a mage would face in PvP. Focus fire. All the PvP games I have played, healers and highest end DPS always get focus fired. Quick and easy to kill with the fastest way to change the battle outcome. I just didnt see anything that made me go, ya that class will rock in PvP.

The orb spell alone is very very strong for group pvp. It alone will make the mage viable if the damage is any bit competitive.

Dygz

SOON

Iskiab

Mage looked okay, just remember they turned off the cooldown on abilities for the demo.

Sengarden

Always remember - this game is not meant to be balanced for 1v1 PvP. You will have to form a group of at least 2, but preferably more people in order to cover each other’s weak spots or compliment each other’s strengths for maximum effectiveness in combat.

I see the mage taking on a more traditional role in PvP - the glass cannon on the back line being protected by a melee fighter who can keep enemies from getting to the caster too quickly. Find the right time to cast a shield, run in, get off a blizzard while another player slows the enemy, blink out and go back to ranged attacks. That kind of thing. It’ll be a bit more methodical than modern solo mage play, I think.

Veeshan

all we know its after mages and not the next one, sooo sometime after the next livestream

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Yup more or less what I said. I dont see this Mage as a PvP class unless thats all added with subclasses.

No, the primary focus of what you said was that the mage won't be viable in PvP. The comment about subclasses was a literal afterthought.

The post you quoted and then said that it is "more or less what you said" was saying that first and foremost, we have seen a showcase of an alpha build of the class, with the notion of subclasses being thrown in as an afterthought.

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