True Roleplay

The only system I’ve seen hold up for Roleplay with very few issues is Neverwinter Nights persistent worlds like Ravenloft Potm. Their Roleplay is swiftly enforced. Breaks in character are warned about at first but then a DM will swiftly rectify the situation. I’ve never seen another game where it worked so well.

So a system of community guides that can watch players and respond to reports quickly if someone comes in disrupting Roleplay would be good.

Also skills and spells that have little to do with combat but are fun to play with. Like flourishes with weapons. Or spells to make lighting play about your hands or body for show. Stuff like that.

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Songcaller

Yeah the corruption can be an issue but there are ways and means of dealing with corruption. I just don't get the closed session mentality. The asshole can do that to any group, why do rpers get priority protection?

Ruerik

They dont. Anyone can expect said level of protection, its why in my initial reply to the OP I said they dont need any specific systems just for them. Just call a GM when someone is giving them grief.

Taerrik wrote: »

IF you are RPing in open world, and someone comes by to run around your group a lot spamming chat or being a nuissance to break your immersion, call a GM, I dont think any specific or automated system is needed or a good idea.

random PvP attacks in open world against RPers should already be addressed by corruption.

As far as harassment already being on the minds of Intrepid for such a thing.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Definition:Griefing

"Now the question is, when risk becomes something that doesn't stop other players from impacting your gameplay in a negative and harassing and repetitive manner. The motivation to do that action is less about their personal advancement and more about impacting your gameplay, because when they elicit the response of anger or rage from the player, they feel a sense of accomplishment. That in my opinion is what griefing is. It is outside of the expectation of the gameplay behavior that is communicated in the design philosophy."
[1] – Steven Sharif"

Songcaller

I've seen people fly into a rage for arena losses. Do gms get involved then too? Sometimes I think Steven has high ideation about things that are natural like toxicity, anger and rage.

Depraved

Taerrik wrote: »

At this point, the discussion doesnt even have anything to do with rp.

Someoen asked you to leave them alone and you said nahhh, im gonna harass this person instead.

that isnt harassment. im allowed to spam my emotes.

what if you kill one of the mobs im farming and i hit you. then you ask me to leave you alone. should i not kill you because you asked? should i be punished by a GM if i keep attacking you or even if i kill you simply because you asked me not to kill you in an open world pvp game?

its the same when it comes to rp. if you had your own private server then yeah sure, you make your own rules, but unfortunately (for you) you dont.

what if i want to rp as a bandit? i see your group and i kill them and take your stuff. im not going to not kill you because you asked me not to since you are rping with your group.

the meta rules are not more important than the actual rules.

Ruerik

Yea sorry guys, you are being pretty clear about going to spam chat/harass a group just because you can and you dont think there should be repercussions, and once again, pvp is great, attack all you want, its part of the game and isnt harassment. Being a dick for the purpose of ruining someones game experience is, and the wiki is pretty clear on that point.

IN the words of the great internet meme, fuck around and find out is all I have left to say here.

Dygz

We have a Sandal in game.
Do we get a White Chair?

Noaani

Taerrik wrote: »

The point of "please go away" is somehow not understood here.

I think the point being made is that you can ask someone to go away, but they can always say no.

You can say they are being an asshole if you like, but being an asshole isn't against the ToS.

Ruerik

I havent seen a ToS yet to look at for the finer details of exactly how far is too far, but just how far do you want to push this envelope really and expect to have ground to stand on. Pick any modern game, that still has active customer support, wow, ff14, eso, others. harssment, stalker, other negative behavior is addressed as players report it.

Since there doesnt seem to be much understanding about the impact here:
If you havent done any RP in games in the past, you may not understand just how much small things like this can destroy immersion for the RPers, and ruin weeks of campaign development and effort for them, just because you want to be a jerk. It is a significant time investment for them, and very little effort for you to do that, for no personal gain other than laughs for you. (I could quote steven again here, but you can just click the wiki link from my post above to see his thoughts, beyond the PvP being a part of every piece of gameplay, steven himself being an RPer is one of the big draws for me to support this game, I would not be suprised to learn in the future if Intrepid leans very sympathetically towards RPers, considering all the tools being developed for them already such as character sheets)

In the situation thats being proposed of 'asshole' gameplay (not saying you will do this specifically, but its your proposal so I am just writing out the hypothetical here):
You be an asshole to someone, they ask you to stop, You continue, they block you so they dont see the chat. You continue just following them, being a nuisance, spamming emotes in their face and so on. Don't be surprised when you suddenly cant log in anymore my friend.

This is straight up griefing, and the RPers cant do anything about it beyond block. If they tried to flag up on you gives them corruption, which also will ruin their gameplay session. Do you truly think this sort of behavior will be accepted? Part of our sub fee every month goes towards caretaking of the game, which includes active in game GMs (from the wiki also, if you didnt want to google it)

If your going to interrupt their campaign night, at least actually engage in pvp so they can do something about you.

Raven016

I hope RPers will find a place in AoC.

Songcaller

I'm a bit confused what you think rp is? If the game world allows these paradigms to exist then that is the rp remit. Not some arbitrary rule set created external to the game world and applied in game.

Azherae

Taerrik wrote: »

I havent seen a ToS yet to look at for the finer details of exactly how far is too far, but just how far do you want to push this envelope really and expect to have ground to stand on. Pick any modern game, that still has active customer support, wow, ff14, eso, others. harssment, stalker, other negative behavior is addressed as players report it.

Since there doesnt seem to be much understanding about the impact here:
If you havent done any RP in games in the past, you may not understand just how much small things like this can destroy immersion for the RPers, and ruin weeks of campaign development and effort for them, just because you want to be a jerk. It is a significant time investment for them, and very little effort for you to do that, for no personal gain other than laughs for you. (I could quote steven again here, but you can just click the wiki link from my post above to see his thoughts, beyond the PvP being a part of every piece of gameplay, steven himself being an RPer is one of the big draws for me to support this game, I would not be suprised to learn in the future if Intrepid leans very sympathetically towards RPers, considering all the tools being developed for them already such as character sheets)

In the situation thats being proposed of 'asshole' gameplay (not saying you will do this specifically, but its your proposal so I am just writing out the hypothetical here):
You be an asshole to someone, they ask you to stop, You continue, they block you so they dont see the chat. You continue just following them, being a nuisance, spamming emotes in their face and so on. Don't be surprised when you suddenly cant log in anymore my friend.

This is straight up griefing, and the RPers cant do anything about it beyond block. If they tried to flag up on you gives them corruption, which also will ruin their gameplay session. Do you truly think this sort of behavior will be accepted? Part of our sub fee every month goes towards caretaking of the game, which includes active in game GMs (from the wiki also, if you didnt want to google it)

If your going to interrupt their campaign night, at least actually engage in pvp so they can do something about you.

Overall you will find that this is the flow of Ashes, as its designed right now.

We haven't yet seen much of the direct plans relative to RP 'protection', and most vocal forumers from my data range from 'we don't believe in this' to 'freedom is the point'.

I'm aware of multiple that disagree with those views, but those people post less often, as you'd expect. Since you're addressing the Creative Direction of the issue, the tl;dr is that, like most things, they have promised to do something about 'something that might be related to this', depending on semantic definition.

The only thing I can add is that those who have information about Steven/the team from the past (which I personally don't feel bears much relevance) indicate that there will not, in fact, be much done about this beyond what the posters here have said, as it is supposedly likely that the dev team has the same perspectives as said posters.

Depraved

Taerrik wrote: »

Yea sorry guys, you are being pretty clear about going to spam chat/harass a group just because you can and you dont think there should be repercussions, and once again, pvp is great, attack all you want, its part of the game and isnt harassment. Being a dick for the purpose of ruining someones game experience is, and the wiki is pretty clear on that point.

IN the words of the great internet meme, fuck around and find out is all I have left to say here.

spamming dances isnt interfering with ur experience. im not following u around killing you over and over and over until you log off. thats interfering with ur experience.

im not gonna spam emojis near u to annoy u as thats a waste of my time. but if i wanna spam emojis, i shouldnt be punished by a gm for it

Korela

I can't understand why the RP community hates games so much. They can't play by the normal rules. They require special rules. Why? Because their fictional world is fragile and small.

Why do they need such a scary, big, diverse game world? Apparently they like it too, at least as a background tool. At the same time, their microcosm is a priority. But they don’t want to expand it, because it will immediately collapse due to the shaky nature of its foundations.

Therefore, they decide to limit the overall game world. After all, the consequences will fall not only on them, but mainly on ordinary players, who will be obliged to comply with an extra set of far-fetched rules. Typical roleplayer egoism.

I consider the conscious choice of such a worldview to be sufficient grounds for sobering up roleplayers using any in-game methods. Roleplayers who put their fantasies above the gaming world will be stopped.

Raven016

Neurath wrote: »

I'm a bit confused what you think rp is? If the game world allows these paradigms to exist then that is the rp remit. Not some arbitrary rule set created external to the game world and applied in game.

I think RP is what I seen sometime: players acting like on a stage. I like to watch them when I encounter them randomly.
But I do not consider RP what actually should be, me playing the role of a warrior, mage, healer etc like D&D rpg players do. It could be if the game would be played solo or coop by a small team, but in a context of a massive player presence, where everyone is racing to level up and be as good as possible, is hard to immerse yourself into your role. Private instances with story might help.

Songcaller

Yeah mate. I have no qualms with stereotypes hence why I referenced assholes. The point I am making is unless its an instanced dungeon, the open world is the rp environment. People will rush to level cap much akin to a gold rush. People didn't shun the gold rush, people joined in with the gold rush - hence the gold rush.

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