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Death in Ashes of Creation.
Kahvipaussi
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I think that dying should always have a negative effect on your character. Things like the loss of EXP and equipment.
With no exceptions, not even during PVP siege events or caravan attacks etc.
I feel like it just fits the more hardcore type MMO world that Ashes of Creation is aiming to be.
This will make choices carry more weight and people will think twice before doing something reckless.
It would also benefit the economy since it would force players to repair and make new gear constantly even while doing PVP.
I believe that making death just a minor inconvenience is a mistake.
What are your thoughts about this?
With no exceptions, not even during PVP siege events or caravan attacks etc.
I feel like it just fits the more hardcore type MMO world that Ashes of Creation is aiming to be.
This will make choices carry more weight and people will think twice before doing something reckless.
It would also benefit the economy since it would force players to repair and make new gear constantly even while doing PVP.
I believe that making death just a minor inconvenience is a mistake.
What are your thoughts about this?
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It would be best if you check out that wiki, it keeps all the info collectively given to us.
Now there is one point you did make that I agree with in the context of Caravans specifically. I do not want them to remove death penalties from caravans, as it incentivizes people to "double load" their caravans. Meaning, they completely fill their inventories with materials as well as the caravan, if the caravan is destroyed they at least get half of it there. If they die, they just run back to the caravan and keep being protected. This effectively reduces the amount of caravans people will have to run, and id rather there be more than less.
Dying should not reduce your EXP and even set Levels backwards down. The Possibility of Griefplay is there in Ashes, like in pretty much most MMO's,
and the People who would get caught up by others who decide to troll their levelling Area's for Days, Weeks - and maybe Months on End, would end up pretty f~ed in the long run.
Also People will already lose Stuff from their bags when they are killed, if i have understood this right.
Stuff like the most treasured Pieces of Gear should only be able to get lost, if you have a high Corruption Level or Corruption at all. There is already enough Risk in the Game without making every Death a WoW-Hardcore-like Experience.
While Ashes will not be DarkSouls, holey Moley i can already see Newbie-People die in Droves. Running into rare, powerful Mobs that will entirely obliterate them,
being overrun by Mechanics in the System like stronger, bigger Spiders or so spawning when You kill a few smaller Ones,
or simply by being ambushed by other Players and entirely blown and chopped into bits. (lol)
Death will be a Visitor in Ashes. A Visitor that might visit Players more often than they will expect.
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"would force players to repair and make new gear constantly" I don't want to have to run to the city every hour to repair. I want to explore and go on adventures.
Right ? I can even imagine it making Players give up on playing the Game. If they get ganked several times in a Row by Playerkillers or simply punished for being done in by the Game's Mechanics,
the Moment they get the Impression that it is useless to even try getting anywhere in the Game, it's usually over.
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✓ Guild is " Balderag's Garde " for now. (German)
I do think that players should lose -some- type of items upon death, such as crafting materials. I do not think that they should lose armors though - armors which may often be soulbound anyway to begin with.
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I agree. Maybe not on each death but often enough players should repair gear and have backup gear in the node.
But the Thought of being intentionally held back by EXP Loss - is forever.
(lol)
I can see so many Downsides on this - and only about no Upside. It would be one thing if Players could "choose" this as an Option. But otherwise it will lead only to Frustration and negative Feelings.
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This could be nice for PvP Cases. Like when You choose to respawn endlessly, you gotta pay some Price for swarming People with Numbers and Waves of always returning Players. 😁
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Yeah, imo this was a problem in New World as there was basically no serious death penalty and players could respawn forever with little to no repercussions
Thats fine for PvE. For PvP that would suck. It would give a way to big penalty, for the person getting PvP'd.
I agree with the idea that deaths should have some sort of a penalty but only with consecutive deaths. Such as if you die 3 times back to back within a certain time frame then there should be a penalty. Like a slight loss in gold and/or a few crafting materials, but NEVER XP this would make that game very annoying to play if you're not someone fairly familiar with MMOs. Especially when dealing with ganking or just PvP in general. I think it can be fair to the player to lose a bit more of gold and/or crafting materials when dying consecutively in PvE and significantly less in PvP. Thoughts?
Extreme death penalties cause two things to happen:
1) It prevents pvp. People will be far less likely to ever pvp unless the odds are well in their favor. So mob rule.
2) It turns off large numbers of people to your game. Less people also means less pvp.
The more extreme the death penalty the more severe both of these consequences become.
What happens on death definitely shouldn't be nothing, but we have to be careful not to destroy interest in the process.
I'm actually ok with durability decay, like they had in Star Wars Galaxies. Your gear has durability which decreases when you die. At zero you have to repair. After repair the max durability goes down, so eventually the gear has to be discarded and replaced. This is a great way to get gear out of the game, making way for new gear. Otherwise the only way gear leaves is to increase the level cap and invalidate everyone's stuff. I'm hoping ashes can avoid that hampster wheel.
Exp loss is a hard no for me. I don't have time to relevel all the time.
Edit: Level Loss is a hard no, i mean. Losing exp points is fine but having to regain levels is too much, I think.
aoc can be hardcore without having to constantly re-make the same gear. thats really boring. farm 5000 hours of pve, so you can pvp for 10 mins, then die, go back to your warehouse and pull out the same gear that you just lost out of the 500 sets you farmed. whats the point?