Ashes of Creation Sub Reddit

TheHiddenDaggerInn · April 1

I'm curious about how many fellow forum members also frequent the Ashes Subreddit. Lately, I've been exploring it, engaging with the community, and I must say, the level of negativity there has taken me by surprise. Understandably, it reaches a broader audience, but is this the audience we aim to attract?

It seems like there's a significant portion of users who never have anything positive to say. I hope Steven and the team take the comments on Reddit with a pinch of salt and largely ignore the negativity.

As a content creator, I'm also questioning the value of posting there. While I expect some disagreement with my videos, the habit of downvoting factual guides just for the sake of it feels incredibly immature. It leads me to believe this might be the gathering spot for anyone harboring an agenda against Ashes.

Apologies for venting, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on the current atmosphere on Reddit. Am I being too critical, or do you think my observations are accurate?

TheDarkSorcerer · April 1

I honestly hope they don't even read what's on Reddit. It's just not the place for constructive feedback / respectful and mature conversation.

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Azherae · April 1

ILLPeonU wrote: »

I'm curious about how many fellow forum members also frequent the Ashes Subreddit. Lately, I've been exploring it, engaging with the community, and I must say, the level of negativity there has taken me by surprise. Understandably, it reaches a broader audience, but is this the audience we aim to attract?

It seems like there's a significant portion of users who never have anything positive to say. I hope Steven and the team take the comments on Reddit with a pinch of salt and largely ignore the negativity.

As a content creator, I'm also questioning the value of posting there. While I expect some disagreement with my videos, the habit of downvoting factual guides just for the sake of it feels incredibly immature. It leads me to believe this might be the gathering spot for anyone harboring an agenda against Ashes.

Apologies for venting, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on the current atmosphere on Reddit. Am I being too critical, or do you think my observations are accurate?

Observations are generally accurate, that's the nature of the internet though.

Outrage and negativity prompts people to attempt to communicate or find validation for their perspective amongst others, contentment doesn't.

In a way, it's why you made this post. The difference between you and them is which side of the fence they're on (and probably that you care a bit more about facts).

For a cynical person, Ashes of Creation isn't really in a good place right now, so as Steven says, 'just wait, they'll come around'.

koltovince · April 1

The reddit is a weird place where if you don't posted what people want from Ashes they will downvote you to hell and your comment gets hidden. They dont even offer feedback on why they disagree like there in the forums, where there is valid conversations going on between disagreements explaining their positions.

I wouldn't go as far as saying those in the reddit are harboring an agenda against Ashes, but it is easier to go out of your way to trash talk a game on its reddit page than to make an account for the game and go to the forums to tash talk. Half probably aren't going to play the game anyway if not more.

TheHiddenDaggerInn · April 1

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

I honestly hope they don't even read what's on Reddit. It's just not the place for constructive feedback / respectful and mature conversation.

Couldn't agree more, I was warned by some CC friends, and they were absolutely right. While we all have topics we want to discuss due to our passion for AoC, nobody deserves to have to put up with that level of immaturity.

Ludullu · April 1

It's just classic reddit. You gotta dance a way harder routine there if you want to get positive responses. Reddit's general populace is even more jaded than some of us here, so when they see a CC for Ashes they just think "wtf are they doing making videos for a game that doesn't exist". But instead of just ignoring those videos, they downvote them and maybe leave a negative comment, because that's usually what reddit culture leads to.

It is possible to play the "reddit game" and win (majority of my comments there have positive values), but you gotta go out of your way to achieve that, which is definitely an absolutely pointless action currently.

TheHiddenDaggerInn · April 1

NiKr wrote: »

It's just classic reddit. You gotta dance a way harder routine there if you want to get positive responses. Reddit's general populace is even more jaded than some of us here, so when they see a CC for Ashes they just think "wtf are they doing making videos for a game that doesn't exist". But instead of just ignoring those videos, they downvote them and maybe leave a negative comment, because that's usually what reddit culture leads to.

It is possible to play the "reddit game" and win (majority of my comments there have positive values), but you gotta go out of your way to achieve that, which is definitely an absolutely pointless action currently.

Ya, maybe I'm going about it all wrong, I will try your advice possibly down the road, although I will wait before Alpha 2 to release before I post anything else there.

TheHiddenDaggerInn · April 1

Azherae wrote: »

ILLPeonU wrote: »

I'm curious about how many fellow forum members also frequent the Ashes Subreddit. Lately, I've been exploring it, engaging with the community, and I must say, the level of negativity there has taken me by surprise. Understandably, it reaches a broader audience, but is this the audience we aim to attract?

It seems like there's a significant portion of users who never have anything positive to say. I hope Steven and the team take the comments on Reddit with a pinch of salt and largely ignore the negativity.

As a content creator, I'm also questioning the value of posting there. While I expect some disagreement with my videos, the habit of downvoting factual guides just for the sake of it feels incredibly immature. It leads me to believe this might be the gathering spot for anyone harboring an agenda against Ashes.

Apologies for venting, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on the current atmosphere on Reddit. Am I being too critical, or do you think my observations are accurate?

Observations are generally accurate, that's the nature of the internet though.

Outrage and negativity prompts people to attempt to communicate or find validation for their perspective amongst others, contentment doesn't.

In a way, it's why you made this post. The difference between you and them is which side of the fence they're on (and probably that you care a bit more about facts).

For a cynical person, Ashes of Creation isn't really in a good place right now, so as Steven says, 'just wait, they'll come around'.

Ya I can see and understand your points, I guess I'm still getting used to the hostility that is on social media in todays world.

As mentioned above I think I'll focus on people who're more engaged, like you fine folk then wasting time their at the moment. Appreciate everyone's take.

Tahiti02 · April 1

Just avoid it fully, its not helpful or a good place for discussion. If you want to see the biggest cestpool, go check out /r/mmorpg for any AOC topic; its so sad and pathetic.

Mag7spy · April 1

Reddit is for meme the more negative aspects people have the more amplified it becomes which tend to be higher in games. If there is less reason to meme you will get more useful information. Reddit will be a beter place to look once Alpha 2 comes out and people have a better view on how they see the game. Reddit user will be looking at Alpha 2 as if its a complete game, than some of them will be meming others are dumb since its an alpha.

You can't look at reddit as you do other forums and you need to let go of perceptions on what you think is right or normal.

Nerror · April 1

The Ashes subreddit have always hated when content creators post their videos there. I have seen a few exceptions, but overall, downvotes galore.

TheHiddenDaggerInn · April 1

Nerror wrote: »

The Ashes subreddit have always hated when content creators post their videos there. I have seen a few exceptions, but overall, downvotes galore.

It does appear so. Essentially, I don't get any tangible rewards for creating content or streaming, aside from the satisfaction of sharing my enthusiasm for the game with others interested in it. Just the thought that someone has taken the time to view my work feels like ample reward for the effort invested, making it all seem worthwhile.

I appreciate everyone's thoughts about this topic, at least I know I'm not alone on this.

Dygz · April 1

reddit gonna reddit

JamesSunderland · April 1

Reddit isn't considered a cesspit for nothing.

Songcaller · April 1

There's some truth at reddit though. The game and showcases aren't the best, don't look the best and don't promote the best. There are serious concerns considering A2 is 1 quarter away. The game looks fine zoomed out but zoom in and it looks tragic. On top of that, everything we see is from afar and never up close. The combat system is improved but still lacklustre. The animations look like a 2010 game and the movement is still lacking. The node upgrades are a black cloud which obscures everything from a distance and the toons still don't interact with the world in a convincing manner. Its like the parts have been made in isolation as I've stated before.

Nerror · April 2

Song_Warden wrote: »

There's some truth at reddit though. The game and showcases aren't the best, don't look the best and don't promote the best. There are serious concerns considering A2 is 1 quarter away. The game looks fine zoomed out but zoom in and it looks tragic. On top of that, everything we see is from afar and never up close. The combat system is improved but still lacklustre. The animations look like a 2010 game and the movement is still lacking. The node upgrades are a black cloud which obscures everything from a distance and the toons still don't interact with the world in a convincing manner. Its like the parts have been made in isolation as I've stated before.

I disagree with your takes on the state of the game here, but more importantly, it sounds like you expect alpha 2 to be close to release. It really isn't. Even IF the things you said are true, alpha 2 is where you start working on fixing those things. It's not where the game needs to have them fixed prior. I guess a lot of the redditors don't know what an actual alpha is.

TheHiddenDaggerInn · April 2

Nerror wrote: »

Song_Warden wrote: »

There's some truth at reddit though. The game and showcases aren't the best, don't look the best and don't promote the best. There are serious concerns considering A2 is 1 quarter away. The game looks fine zoomed out but zoom in and it looks tragic. On top of that, everything we see is from afar and never up close. The combat system is improved but still lacklustre. The animations look like a 2010 game and the movement is still lacking. The node upgrades are a black cloud which obscures everything from a distance and the toons still don't interact with the world in a convincing manner. Its like the parts have been made in isolation as I've stated before.

I disagree with your takes on the state of the game here, but more importantly, it sounds like you expect alpha 2 to be close to release. It really isn't. Even IF the things you said are true, alpha 2 is where you start working on fixing those things. It's not where the game needs to have them fixed prior. I guess a lot of the redditors don't know what an actual alpha is.

I believe many are confusing it with a early access, which even though yes technically will be persistent minus down time for patches and such. There is bound to be multiple wipes and nothing will remain before launch. We're here to test the game to prepare it for launch, help balance and find bugs. Make sure the core systems are working as intended.

Songcaller · April 2

Nerror wrote: »

Song_Warden wrote: »

There's some truth at reddit though. The game and showcases aren't the best, don't look the best and don't promote the best. There are serious concerns considering A2 is 1 quarter away. The game looks fine zoomed out but zoom in and it looks tragic. On top of that, everything we see is from afar and never up close. The combat system is improved but still lacklustre. The animations look like a 2010 game and the movement is still lacking. The node upgrades are a black cloud which obscures everything from a distance and the toons still don't interact with the world in a convincing manner. Its like the parts have been made in isolation as I've stated before.

I disagree with your takes on the state of the game here, but more importantly, it sounds like you expect alpha 2 to be close to release. It really isn't. Even IF the things you said are true, alpha 2 is where you start working on fixing those things. It's not where the game needs to have them fixed prior. I guess a lot of the redditors don't know what an actual alpha is.

Well, my paraphrasing was intentional. Its not that progress hasn't been made but its that so much progress is left to pursue. I understand what an alpha is and will play the a2 in whatever state its in.

Furthermore, the gimmicks are big and the substance is little. Each new update adds a new gimmick when the core substance remains untouched. The whole situation won't be remedied until I've got my hands on the project and can experience the systems for myself.

Aszkalon · April 3

ILLPeonU wrote: »

I'm curious about how many fellow forum members also frequent the Ashes Subreddit. Lately, I've been exploring it, engaging with the community, and I must say, the level of negativity there has taken me by surprise

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Sengarden · April 3

While I definitely agree that your feedback will differ depending on where you source it, and I also find Reddit to attract a wide range of individuals (with extremes on both sides of every spectrum) I do think it’s important for Intrepid to take feedback from multiple sources. This is the official forum for just this game. Naturally, people are going to be positive, willing to forgive things, and generally be more optimistic about the future of the game. Sometimes, to everyone’s detriment, including Intrepid.

For example, I’m a fantasy writer. When I need critique on a manuscript, am I going to ask a few of my friends for help? Maybe, sure. But I have to pay them in order to make sure they aren’t just being nice to me. We aren’t able to be those people for Intrepid. Those would be the professional QA testers, and even their teams might be full of people who couldn’t care less about Intrepid’s feelings or have any emotional investment in the game’s success.

Where else do I get my critique from? Random strangers who enjoy other fantasy books and have never met me before. In this way, even if I don’t pay them, I can be confident that they’ll be as honest as possible. Do I need to take their critique with a grain of salt and stay true to the writing style and messages in my story? Yes. But I would do the same for people who already know and like me.

The strangers for Intrepid are people on Reddit, people commenting on the official posts they make to their YouTube channel, large content creators and the commentary of their thousands/millions of followers whom they amassed because they all share common opinions on video games. This forum is a safe bubble for Intrepid to source feedback that’s largely tempered to be friendly, forgiving, and optimistic. Everywhere else is the real world, the people and communities that this game will also have to be at least somewhat successful with if they want it to have an expansive, growing community for years after release.

HybridSR · April 3

Reddit is literal cancer.

/r/MMORPG is literally MMO depression shaped into a subreddit and some of the same people usually post in the AoC sub. 95% of those people don't know what they want and they can't ever be pleased. Go and read one post about AoC and you'll know exactly what I mean.

I wish intrepid would just completely ignore Reddit.

Aszkalon · April 3

ILLPeonU wrote: »

As a content creator, I'm also questioning the value of posting there. While I expect some disagreement with my videos, the habit of downvoting factual guides just for the sake of it feels incredibly immature. It leads me to believe this might be the gathering spot for anyone harboring an agenda against Ashes.

Not wanting to sound unnecessarily negative here,

but i have understood Reddit always as a Place for " the hateful Losers ".
Similar like the former Twitter before a certain Man bought it,
and God beware, the absolute Garbage Heap that is Tik Tok.

My Impression is -> because "some" Places, meaning Websites, are modded and hence, "ruled" by the absolute garbage pieces of-you-know what of Society -> that other total garbage pieces of you-know-what, feel safe there to comment their overly negative, hateful and insulting Comments - without the fear of getting banned.

If such a thing happens to relative "smaller Forums", usually the Forum becomes something like a Ghost Town and nobody ever there really posts anything.

The normal People avoid it -> and the A~holes, well - don't like each others Company as well. So People there don't really answer on anyone else,

or their only Participance in a Topic is - > DOWNVOTING/LIKING IT INTO OBLIVION as much as possible, because the only thing they want to show the other Users there is their own Ugliness and Rancidness.

Hence why DarkSorcerer's " GOLLUM-Picture " with Gollum hissing, is a very good Depiction of what most Reddit Users are deep inside.

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

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TheHiddenDaggerInn · April 3

what's really frustrating, is if you try to defend yourself in anyway, even politely they still down vote your comments then, it's a ridiculous mechanic they have.

Aszkalon · April 4

ILLPeonU wrote: »

what's really frustrating, is if you try to defend yourself in anyway, even politely they still down vote your comments then, it's a ridiculous mechanic they have.

It's easily explainable once you understood how the toxic Scum of social Society thinks, ILLPeon.

When they see You "defending" your own Argument, -> they perceive this is as "Obstinacy".
Since they are People who think everyone else is just the same kind of childish, immature, petulant and truculent little Loser they themself are,

they will NEVER have a Reasoning and admit when You are right.

When they decided to dislike or hate You -> from that Moment rational thinking is out of the Window. (lol)

You could be right a HUUUNDRED Times in a Row -> and they could be wrong these hundred Times in a row. Fact is they will NEVER admit it.

They "want" to see You fail. They want it, to enforce their brittle Worldview of how things have to be in Order for them to be right.

TheHiddenDaggerInn · April 4

Ya just a different era now, not used to all of the social hostility. I’ll adapt though.

Flanker · April 5

ILLPeonU wrote: »

Ya just a different era now, not used to all of the social hostility. I’ll adapt though.

There is little to nothing you can possibly do with that kind of people. Their knowledge is usually very limited and they have no interest in having an actual constructive discussion. I'd recommend you to spend your time in a more productive way instead of trying to interact with them in any way

nanfoodle · April 5

Welcome to the internet. Where people say things anonymously they would never say to a person's face. Where people bully because they think it's fun. Best talk about games you like on forums designed just for that fan base. We still get basher here but they do get turned away in a few different ways.

abc0815 · April 5

Guides for a Game that the OP is not even playing? And the reddit folks are the bad guys. Sure folks. Some weird entitlement going on here imho

Aszkalon · April 5

Flanker wrote: »

There is little to nothing you can possibly do with that kind of people. Their knowledge is usually very limited and they have no interest in having an actual constructive discussion. I'd recommend you to spend your time in a more productive way instead of trying to interact with them in any way

This is accurate, jepp. The best thing one can do with Reddit, is to ignore it either entirely or mostly.

You can upload a MeMe there from time to time regarding our dear Asmongold and watch if he reacts to it, though.

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Depraved · April 6

ILLPeonU wrote: »

I'm curious about how many fellow forum members also frequent the Ashes Subreddit. Lately, I've been exploring it, engaging with the community, and I must say, the level of negativity there has taken me by surprise. Understandably, it reaches a broader audience, but is this the audience we aim to attract?

It seems like there's a significant portion of users who never have anything positive to say. I hope Steven and the team take the comments on Reddit with a pinch of salt and largely ignore the negativity.

As a content creator, I'm also questioning the value of posting there. While I expect some disagreement with my videos, the habit of downvoting factual guides just for the sake of it feels incredibly immature. It leads me to believe this might be the gathering spot for anyone harboring an agenda against Ashes.

Apologies for venting, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on the current atmosphere on Reddit. Am I being too critical, or do you think my observations are accurate?

what do you mean by negativity? can you give examples? do you consider people who disagree with you negative people? why do you care about downvoting or upvoting? are they saying correct things and disagreeing with you and hurting your feelings or are they just attacking you personally without addressing ashes related things?

i don't go there a lot but ive been there a few times and I haven't found anything outrageous. i haven't watched your content, but ive seen other creators making videos about ashes, especially about pvp, comparing it to l2 etc when they haven't even played the game (they admitted not playing it for long) then pointing out issues that don't exist, saying things that arent correct, etc just to make a video about something and get views. I'm not saying you are doing that, but when someone makes content that isn't accurate, then that person gets downvoted or their arguments get attacked, then that's fair and valid.

so what exactly do you mean by negativity? also, what audience do we expect to attract? why does ashes have to attract the type of players that you want? you don't want anyone who disagrees with you playing the game? why not let everyone who enjoys the game, plays the game?

edit: to sum it up. lots of people consider people who disagree with them toxic, or garbage, or harmful, etc. i mean, look at whats going on with the west right now. if you say the truth and speak against the left, then you are toxic, you are all the words ending in "phobic", your speech is harmful and can cause violence, etc. so every time I see someone saying someone else is toxic, I really question who is right and who Is wrong and if that person is only being called toxic or garbage because they disagree. maybe they hurt your feelings while disagreeing, but we only care about the conversation, not about the meta conversation.