ChatGPT can answer your AOC design questions

When the wiki fails you, this forum is an excellent place to get clarification on AOC's design.

Alternatively, turns out you can ask ChatGPT:

(This question was asked April 10, 2024).

Pretty cool, huh?

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Azherae

This is because large language models are basically search engines.

And as noted, it unfortunately even tells you exactly when it last got a strong current dataset and sends you here.

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Nerror

Cool, they've updated the "Last update" date by quite a bit then. When ChatGPT first came out in the open beta, the Ashes information was woefully lacking and old.

Tyranthraxus

Seems like an odd way to read the wiki.

How does a mind bound by the limitations of perfection arrive at the solution to a problem requiring an imperfect answer, without purposefully lying?

Ludullu

It shoulda mentioned that it's not "nodes" that declare sieges. So a dude from across the world could come to your node a lay a siege scroll on it.

Azherae

NiKr wrote: »

It shoulda mentioned that it's not "nodes" that declare sieges. So a dude from across the world could come to your node a lay a siege scroll on it.

Actually, ChatGPT is going to be a large source of misinformation about Ashes because of how tokenization and 'heat' works.

ChatGPT will attempt to build a logical path out of information it can confirm, to then convey to the asker, but if the actual design is in some way illogical to it, it will usually still report that illogical answer unless asked directly.

This can be solved by putting some stuff that Intrepid says through a tokenization filter, though, which is why I sometimes ask Steven questions that hit this problem, so that the lil'un can get some more direct quotes.

Roseburia

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Seems like an odd way to read the wiki.

How does a mind bound by the limitations of perfection arrive at the solution to a problem requiring an imperfect answer, without purposefully lying?

Nerror

I think it took me roughly one hour of use before I stopped trusting ChatGPT with anything factual

It'll make shit up np, but sound very confident about it.

Azherae

Nerror wrote: »

I think it took me roughly one hour of use before I stopped trusting ChatGPT with anything factual It'll make shit up np.

C'mon, be nice.

It's really not 'making anything up'. It's just that there is no such thing as a 'fact' to ChatGPT. There's only 'claims' and 'veracity levels'.

Ashes of Creation has low veracity levels, so technically, ChatGPT is in the same position as many of us. It is doing its best to guess based on what it has been told.

Pretty relatable if you're like me and have a weird parental response to 'AI'.

Nerror

Azherae wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

I think it took me roughly one hour of use before I stopped trusting ChatGPT with anything factual It'll make shit up np.

C'mon, be nice.

It's really not 'making anything up'. It's just that there is no such thing as a 'fact' to ChatGPT. There's only 'claims' and 'veracity levels'.

Ashes of Creation has low veracity levels, so technically, ChatGPT is in the same position as many of us. It is doing its best to guess based on what it has been told.

Pretty relatable if you're like me and have a weird parental response to 'AI'.

Ok fine, it's trying its best with the tools and knowledge it has!

(still, I don't trust it..)

Ludullu

Azherae wrote: »

Pretty relatable if you're like me and have a weird parental response to 'AI'.

Parents should teach their kids TO READ THE WIKI and memorize it to a T

Azherae

NiKr wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Pretty relatable if you're like me and have a weird parental response to 'AI'.

Parents should teach their kids TO READ THE WIKI and memorize it to a T

But that's what it did!

It's just that mean people ask questions that require 'logic application to things on the wiki' and then the reality turns out to not follow any direct logic.

If you ever wanna see ChatGPT struggle to answer something about Ashes (please don't do this to it), find any question I asked which didn't actually get answered and watch what happens.

daveywavey

You'll also notice how it doesn't really give any actual information, it just does that "politician-talk" of saying lots of things to make you think that it's told you something.

Tyranthraxus

NiKr wrote: »

It shoulda mentioned that it's not "nodes" that declare sieges. So a dude from across the world could come to your node a lay a siege scroll on it.

Aye, but it's apt-ness for generalization and legible none-sense makes for nearly-readable sentences. Case-and-point:

Roseburia wrote: »

How does a mind bound by the limitations of perfection arrive at the solution to a problem requiring an imperfect answer, without purposefully lying?

Nerror

daveywavey wrote: »

You'll also notice how it doesn't really give any actual information, it just does that "politician-talk" of saying lots of things to make you think that it's told you something.

Just ask it to not use politician-talk! Well, not your standard politician anyway...

Alright, buckle yer boots, and let's 'ave a butchers at the node system in "Ashes of Creation," innit? It's the dog's bollocks when it comes to givin' players a real say in 'ow the world shapes up.

So, picture this: you got these little apples and pears called nodes, right? They're like the bread and honey of the game world, startin' off small but growin' like Jack's beanstalk based on what us players get up to nearby.

Now, there's all sorts of different types of these nodes, see? You got yer Charlie Chaplins for the fighters, yer Lady Godivas for the traders, yer Father Abrahams for the spiritual lot, and yer Alan Wickers for the clever clogs. Each one's got its own jam and bread, yeah?

As these nodes grow, they unlock a whole world of Barney Rubble for us players. New quests, services, and opportunities come a-knockin', all thanks to our graft nearby.

But it ain't all apples and pears, mate. These nodes are locked in a proper Barney Rubble with each other. Players can choose to back 'em or bust 'em, dependin' on their own Jack Jones. And when things get real tasty, there's proper sieges that can shake things up like a proper rumble in the jungle.

So, there ya 'ave it! The node system in "Ashes of Creation" is like a right old dance of players and progress, all mixin' together to make a world that's as lively as a cockney knees-up down the rub-a-dub.

Depraved

daveywavey wrote: »

You'll also notice how it doesn't really give any actual information, it just does that "politician-talk" of saying lots of things to make you think that it's told you something.

lmaoo trueee..

but actually...a while back I tricked it into telling me conversations it had with other users, even their names haha. got fixed soon, tried again after a week or so and didn't work

Depraved

Azherae wrote: »

This is because large language models are basically search engines.

disagree

Mag7spy

Depraved wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

This is because large language models are basically search engines.

disagree

If you know, you know ;o

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