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Off heal?

NefficlesNefficles Member, Alpha Two
in General Discussion
With the recent AMA, Steven said they were going in a balancing direction of limiting the archetype choices for healing and tanking. However, they did state they were pursuing an "off-tank" build for some classes.

Has it been confirmed that there will be "off-heal" builds as well?

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  • LashLash Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    They mentioned bards will have some regen effects. Summoner might also get heals of some kind but unconfirmed at this stage.
  • NefficlesNefficles Member, Alpha Two
    Awesome I must've missed that! Excited to see what they do with bard
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    “Ashes wiki” wrote:
    Bards are intended to amplify a party or raid's ability to perform within their own class. That amplification isn't just intended for DPS, but also for support, for healing, for taking damage, for movement.

    Here’s the wiki link:

    https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Archetypes#Bard

    Hopefully, this will be covered in the upcoming Bard reveal.
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  • NefficlesNefficles Member, Alpha Two
    edited May 13
    CROW3 wrote: »
    “Ashes wiki” wrote:
    Bards are intended to amplify a party or raid's ability to perform within their own class. That amplification isn't just intended for DPS, but also for support, for healing, for taking damage, for movement.

    Here’s the wiki link:

    https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Archetypes#Bard

    Hopefully, this will be covered in the upcoming Bard reveal.

    Ahh after reading this, it sounds like they aren't going with an off-heal type style of combat. The bard fills it's own space of amplifying the party and not healing them.

    I was hoping for a class that is partially amplification with like...two backup heal spells or something that are more focused on assisting the main healer during overwhelming times. I guess time will tell!
  • AzheraeAzherae Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Nefficles wrote: »
    CROW3 wrote: »
    “Ashes wiki” wrote:
    Bards are intended to amplify a party or raid's ability to perform within their own class. That amplification isn't just intended for DPS, but also for support, for healing, for taking damage, for movement.

    Here’s the wiki link:

    https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Archetypes#Bard

    Hopefully, this will be covered in the upcoming Bard reveal.

    Ahh after reading this, it sounds like they aren't going with an off-heal type style of combat. The bard fills it's own space of amplifying the party and not healing them.

    I was hoping for a class that is partially amplification with like...two backup heal spells or something that are more focused on assisting the main healer during overwhelming times. I guess time will tell!

    There's always the chance that the Bard/Cleric, at least, might have some way of using their Augments to achieve this.

    The only 'restrictive' thing they've told us it that you will 'always' want a Cleric for main healing serious group content, but it remains to be seen if that means Bard/Cleric cannot offer any form of targeted healing to others at all.

    So far, though, Heal-Over-Time is the most that I reasonably expect.
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  • DepravedDepraved Member, Alpha Two
    Nefficles wrote: »
    CROW3 wrote: »
    “Ashes wiki” wrote:
    Bards are intended to amplify a party or raid's ability to perform within their own class. That amplification isn't just intended for DPS, but also for support, for healing, for taking damage, for movement.

    Here’s the wiki link:

    https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Archetypes#Bard

    Hopefully, this will be covered in the upcoming Bard reveal.

    Ahh after reading this, it sounds like they aren't going with an off-heal type style of combat. The bard fills it's own space of amplifying the party and not healing them.

    I was hoping for a class that is partially amplification with like...two backup heal spells or something that are more focused on assisting the main healer during overwhelming times. I guess time will tell!

    get 2 clerics in your party ;3
  • NefficlesNefficles Member, Alpha Two
    Depraved wrote: »
    get 2 clerics in your party ;3

    @Depraved That makes me want to know if there's a DPS spec for clerics that can rival a main DPS 🤣
  • willsummonwillsummon Member, Alpha Two
    Off-healing and off-tanking.

    That is when things get interesting in a boss fight for the raid. The boss is down to less than 1% health, but the main tanks and healers are down as well. The off-tanks and off-healers have popped their cooldowns and hope the boss goes before their abilities wear off.

    Some of the best raid fights end like that, with the boss going down at the last second.
  • AlmostDeadAlmostDead Member, Alpha Two
    edited May 13
    Nefficles wrote: »

    I was hoping for a class that is partially amplification with like...two backup heal spells or something that are more focused on assisting the main healer during overwhelming times. I guess time will tell!

    While I agree with comments above that the Bard is likely to have healing abilities that will be useful for specific encounters, and can probably really step into a legit off-heal role with a Cleric secondary, I really think Summoner is most likely to be the best off-heal.

    From the wiki:
    "Summoners can shift their roles easily to fill gaps in a group's composition based on the role of the summon they are utilizing coupled with their choice of secondary archetype, which influences the role the summons perform best at.[197][18]"

    "Q: Will Summoners want to build different stats when playing as either a DPS, healer, or tank role?
    A: Yes. It is important that Summoners understand the role they're trying to hybridize into, as that decision might influence the types of stats they want to spec for.[198] – Steven Sharif"

    Also, I'm hyped AF for A2!
  • NefficlesNefficles Member, Alpha Two
    edited May 13
    @Tacquito That's wild because I might be a summoner main if that's the case! They sound super cool and able to flex into so many play styles. Fingers crossed they hit the right balance with the class.

    I'm so hyped for A2! My PC is alllll ready for it.
  • DepravedDepraved Member, Alpha Two
    Nefficles wrote: »
    Depraved wrote: »
    get 2 clerics in your party ;3

    @Depraved That makes me want to know if there's a DPS spec for clerics that can rival a main DPS 🤣

    well, steven said that clerics will have a dps spec (I suppose bards too). you will still be a main healer, that can do some damage. not sure if it will rival a pure dps or maybe a dps/mage. but I'm sure more pvp oriented players will most likely have 2 healers in their party, and those healers wont be damage oriented :D

  • willsummonwillsummon Member, Alpha Two
    Keep in mind that with 64 classes, there is going to be a lot of "off-specs".

    (Apologies in advance for using WoW comparisons.)

    Though, from a reasonable guess, some of the top healing classes with be Scryer (Cleric/Bard), which will probably be like a Discipline Priest from WoW, with good healing and buff/protections. A High Priest (Cleric/Cleric), very powerful heals of various types. And Shaman (Cleric/Summon, the flip side for the Necromancer) which will probably have some interesting type heals, I would guess chain heals and heal over time spells.

    Though, with this meaning classes, I hope to see some damage style healing. Where by the more the class does in damage, this allow the class to offer both passive healing and active healing spells.

    A caster version of this would likely be a Shadow Priest from WoW. An example of a melee version would be a Shaman from Age of Conan.

    In addition, I hope some of the tanks have the raw passive skill, seen on a few times, where the more damage the tank does, the more passive healing the party receives.
  • TyranthraxusTyranthraxus Member, Alpha Two
    To my present understanding, you'd want your primary class to be Cleric, in order to have any ability to heal others; The secondary class augments the primary class.

    I.E. Cleric/Tank would be beefy and able to heal other party members. Tank/Cleric, however, will likely only have the ability to regenerate *themselves*. We'll still have to see how it all fleshes out, at this point in development.
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    If I recall correctly, we don't have confirmation that it will be impossible for x/Clerics to Heal others with Augments from the Life School.
    The question was asked and Steven gave us the example of the Tank/Cleric being able to self-Heal.

    Heavily implied that you are correct that x/Clerics can't Heal others, but not completely ruled out... I think.
  • SaabynatorSaabynator Member
    Nefficles wrote: »
    CROW3 wrote: »
    “Ashes wiki” wrote:
    Bards are intended to amplify a party or raid's ability to perform within their own class. That amplification isn't just intended for DPS, but also for support, for healing, for taking damage, for movement.

    Here’s the wiki link:

    https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Archetypes#Bard

    Hopefully, this will be covered in the upcoming Bard reveal.

    Ahh after reading this, it sounds like they aren't going with an off-heal type style of combat. The bard fills it's own space of amplifying the party and not healing them.

    I was hoping for a class that is partially amplification with like...two backup heal spells or something that are more focused on assisting the main healer during overwhelming times. I guess time will tell!

    He did specificly mention bards as a form of off healer. I think its more of a "top off" healer.
  • NefficlesNefficles Member, Alpha Two
    Saabynator wrote: »
    Nefficles wrote: »
    CROW3 wrote: »
    “Ashes wiki” wrote:
    Bards are intended to amplify a party or raid's ability to perform within their own class. That amplification isn't just intended for DPS, but also for support, for healing, for taking damage, for movement.

    Here’s the wiki link:

    https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Archetypes#Bard

    Hopefully, this will be covered in the upcoming Bard reveal.

    Ahh after reading this, it sounds like they aren't going with an off-heal type style of combat. The bard fills it's own space of amplifying the party and not healing them.

    I was hoping for a class that is partially amplification with like...two backup heal spells or something that are more focused on assisting the main healer during overwhelming times. I guess time will tell!

    He did specificly mention bards as a form of off healer. I think its more of a "top off" healer.

    Ahh okay that would be similar to a class I used to play in Aion called Chanter. I really thought that was pretty cool back in the day
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