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Gameplay Enhancement Idea for Ashes of Creation

Hello Ashes of Creation community and developers,

I have an idea to enhance the gameplay experience in Ashes of Creation, making it more challenging and immersive. This concept focuses on adjusting the time mechanics, death penalties, item rarity, and incentives for solo players.

Concept Overview:

Accelerated Time: The game time runs at 4.8 times the speed of real life. This means:
5 in-game days = 1 real-life day.
Crafting times reflect real-world durations (e.g., a 1-day crafting task takes 24 real-life hours).
Death Mechanics:

Death Timer: Upon death, players face a penalty timer lasting one in-game day (approximately 4.8 real-life hours).
Player Character Status: When a player dies, their character is removed from the game temporarily. The player can either return to the lobby screen or spectate their party until it disbands.
Monster Difficulty:

Increased Challenge: Monsters are significantly tougher, increasing the overall game difficulty and extending the gameplay experience.
Item Rarity:

Rank F Items: Common
Rank D Items: Uncommon
Rank C Items: Rare
Rank B Items: Epic
Rank A Items: Legendary
Rank S Items: Unique (1/1)
Rank SS Items: Mythical
This item hierarchy ensures that high-ranking items are genuinely rare, making them highly desirable and exciting to find.

Solo Play Incentives:

Bonus Luck and XP: Solo players receive increased luck and experience points to balance the difficulty of fighting tough monsters alone and to mitigate the harsh death penalties.
Key Goals:

Encouraging Group Play: The increased difficulty and meaningful death penalties are designed to foster a cooperative gaming experience.
True Item Rarity: Ensuring that high-ranking items are rare and valuable, enhancing the excitement of acquiring and discovering them.
Solo Play Viability: Providing solo players with incentives to make their experience rewarding despite the challenges.
Conclusion:
I believe these adjustments can make Ashes of Creation a more engaging and dynamic game, offering a balanced and challenging experience for both group and solo players. I would love to hear the community's thoughts on this idea.

Thank you for considering my suggestion!

Best regards,
Krysis

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    DepravedDepraved Member
    the hell.

    but solo players are already rewarded...what makes you think they arent?

    what would be the incentive to group up then if you get worse exp or items?

    and not playing your char for almost 5 hours if you die? wth
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    KrysisKrysis Member
    Depraved wrote: »
    the hell.

    but solo players are already rewarded...what makes you think they arent?

    what would be the incentive to group up then if you get worse exp or items?

    and not playing your char for almost 5 hours if you die? wth

    I appreciate your feedback. Let me clarify a few points:

    Solo Player Rewards:

    Solo players do receive rewards, but my proposal aims to further balance the increased difficulty solo players would face with tougher monsters. The additional luck and XP bonuses are meant to keep solo play viable, not necessarily make it more rewarding than group play.
    Incentive for Group Play:

    Group play would still be incentivized by the increased difficulty of monsters, making it more practical to defeat them with a team. The idea is not to give worse XP or items to groups but to ensure that solo players can also progress without feeling overly punished by the higher difficulty.
    Death Penalty Duration:

    The death penalty is designed to add meaningful consequences to dying, encouraging more strategic play. However, the 4.8-hour timer is open for adjustment based on community feedback. The goal is to strike a balance between challenge and playability.
    Thanks for raising these points. Your input helps refine the idea!
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    DepravedDepraved Member
    Krysis wrote: »
    Depraved wrote: »
    the hell.

    but solo players are already rewarded...what makes you think they arent?

    what would be the incentive to group up then if you get worse exp or items?

    and not playing your char for almost 5 hours if you die? wth

    I appreciate your feedback. Let me clarify a few points:

    Solo Player Rewards:

    Solo players do receive rewards, but my proposal aims to further balance the increased difficulty solo players would face with tougher monsters. The additional luck and XP bonuses are meant to keep solo play viable, not necessarily make it more rewarding than group play.
    Incentive for Group Play:

    Group play would still be incentivized by the increased difficulty of monsters, making it more practical to defeat them with a team. The idea is not to give worse XP or items to groups but to ensure that solo players can also progress without feeling overly punished by the higher difficulty.
    Death Penalty Duration:

    The death penalty is designed to add meaningful consequences to dying, encouraging more strategic play. However, the 4.8-hour timer is open for adjustment based on community feedback. The goal is to strike a balance between challenge and playability.
    Thanks for raising these points. Your input helps refine the idea!

    hold on.
    my proposal aims to further balance the increased difficulty solo players would face with tougher monsters.

    ensure that solo players can also progress without feeling overly punished by the higher difficulty.

    you want to increase mobs difficulty for solo players, but you don't want solo players to feel punished by fighting more difficult monsters? solo the solution is to give more xp to solo players?

    why not simply lower the difficulty of solo monsters... but what prevents people from duoing solo monsters then? you would most likely get more xp per hour anyway than soloing with bonus exp...
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    KrysisKrysis Member
    Depraved wrote: »
    Krysis wrote: »
    Depraved wrote: »
    the hell.

    but solo players are already rewarded...what makes you think they arent?

    what would be the incentive to group up then if you get worse exp or items?

    and not playing your char for almost 5 hours if you die? wth

    I appreciate your feedback. Let me clarify a few points:

    Solo Player Rewards:

    Solo players do receive rewards, but my proposal aims to further balance the increased difficulty solo players would face with tougher monsters. The additional luck and XP bonuses are meant to keep solo play viable, not necessarily make it more rewarding than group play.
    Incentive for Group Play:

    Group play would still be incentivized by the increased difficulty of monsters, making it more practical to defeat them with a team. The idea is not to give worse XP or items to groups but to ensure that solo players can also progress without feeling overly punished by the higher difficulty.
    Death Penalty Duration:

    The death penalty is designed to add meaningful consequences to dying, encouraging more strategic play. However, the 4.8-hour timer is open for adjustment based on community feedback. The goal is to strike a balance between challenge and playability.
    Thanks for raising these points. Your input helps refine the idea!

    hold on.
    my proposal aims to further balance the increased difficulty solo players would face with tougher monsters.

    ensure that solo players can also progress without feeling overly punished by the higher difficulty.

    you want to increase mobs difficulty for solo players, but you don't want solo players to feel punished by fighting more difficult monsters? solo the solution is to give more xp to solo players?

    why not simply lower the difficulty of solo monsters... but what prevents people from duoing solo monsters then? you would most likely get more xp per hour anyway than soloing with bonus exp...

    Thanks for the feedback. Let me clarify further:

    Increased Monster Difficulty:

    The idea is to make the game more challenging overall by increasing monster difficulty. This change would apply to both solo and group play, aiming to extend the game's longevity and encourage strategic gameplay.
    Solo Player Balance:

    The increased difficulty means solo players face tougher challenges, so the proposed XP and luck bonuses are to ensure they can still make meaningful progress without feeling overly punished. It's not about making solo play easier, but about making it fairer given the increased difficulty.
    XP Distribution:

    XP will be determined by the number of players in the area and the damage done to the monster. This system ensures that solo players can still earn a fair amount of XP without feeling disadvantaged compared to groups.
    Boss Fights:

    For boss fights, players will have the option to go in solo for boosted rewards. This provides an additional incentive for solo play while maintaining the challenge and balance of the game.
    The goal is to ensure both solo and group play are rewarding and challenging in their own ways. Your points are valid, and finding the right balance will be key to ensuring a fair and enjoyable experience for all players. Thanks for the discussion—it's really helping to refine the idea!
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    NiKrNiKr Member
    No :)
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    Just doesn't feel like the vibe they've been going for.
    Depraved wrote: »
    and not playing your char for almost 5 hours if you die? wth
    Yeah, this seems unnecessarily punishing, doesn't it.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
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    Individuated SoulIndividuated Soul Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    This reads like a gaming manga.
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    Krysis wrote: »
    Item Rarity:

    Rank F Items: Common
    Rank D Items: Uncommon
    Rank C Items: Rare
    Rank B Items: Epic
    Rank A Items: Legendary
    Rank S Items: Unique (1/1)
    Rank SS Items: Mythical
    This item hierarchy ensures that high-ranking items are genuinely rare, making them highly desirable and exciting to find.

    I do feel that I need to point out that "S" and "SS" don't come before "A" in the alphabet.

    And yes, I realise that far-east game developers who didn't realise this have gone and done this in their games, but no that doesn't mean that it should become the norm.

    "S" and "SS" don't come before "A".
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
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    bruh stop reading MMORPG deep dive novels that shit dont work in real games
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    NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack
    Krysis wrote: »
    Item Rarity:

    Rank F Items: Common
    Rank D Items: Uncommon
    Rank C Items: Rare
    Rank B Items: Epic
    Rank A Items: Legendary
    Rank S Items: Unique (1/1)
    Rank SS Items: Mythical
    This item hierarchy ensures that high-ranking items are genuinely rare, making them highly desirable and exciting to find.

    Item Rarity:

    Common Items: Common
    Uncommon Items: Uncommon
    Rare Items: Rare
    Epic Items: Epic
    Unique Items: Unique
    Legendary Items: Legendary
    Mythical Items: Mythical

    This seems like a much better option to me.
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    CROW3CROW3 Member
    Player Character Status: When a player dies, their character is removed from the game temporarily. The player can either return to the lobby screen or spectate their party until it disbands.

    Could you help me understand who benefits from this idea? 🫨
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    tautautautau Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    As @CROW3 said, could you explain how this is an improvement? I'm sorry, but I don't see how this makes anything better, especially the ~4.8 hours where you have to stop playing your character when it dies? Death is already something to avoid, how does making the penalty worse make the game better?

    Thanks.
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    KilionKilion Member
    edited May 17
    I don't see this as viable. A disable like that will:
    • Destroy the risk-reward balance as all rewards are "ingame" and the risk is "meta game"... for ingame activity.
    • Destroy group gameplay entirely, because a Tank or Healer dying basically disbands the group
    • Destroy PvX, because with this system zerging down Tanks and Healers equals victory whenever another group is fighting a world boss or a high-reward objective in an open dungeon.
    • Makes a PvP focused playstyle impossible due to the high risk of dying.
    • Make revival spells either OP or pointless, as those would either bypass the disable or not work at all.
    • Break immersion - because one PvP fight during a quest and I am basically barred from following the story with consistency.
    • Destroy character attachment - as players would be forced into "field rotation" rather than be able to focus on building the one kind of character they are actually interested in playing. "Oh no character #3 died, switching to character #4 and continuing on until the cooldown is over." basically it becomes a mindless level farm simulator with no real interest in the actual storylines of each character.
    • It completely messes up the economy as instead of actually playing the game, people would be forced to stack up on all sort of life insurance they can find rather than actually playing the game. Fear of not being able to play in a game is probably the worst motivator ever.

    And lastly it ignores that people just do not have unlimited time. Most probably have 1-3 characters in mind as well a specific playstyle and are free to do so during 2-3 hours in the aternoon or evening. If these characters all are on "cooldown", that basically results in these players being locked out of playing the game.


    Discussion

    OP: "Encouraging Group Play: The increased difficulty and meaningful death penalties are designed to foster a cooperative gaming experience."

    > This is completely countered by the fact that it makes group gameplay utterly unstable. One death breaks the group gameplay for hours; which also makes a "cooperative gaming experience" impossible as any attempt to learn new tactics to fight a new type of enemy will lead to inevitable hour long gameplay disrutptions. Also "meaningful death" is not only measured by the how hard the death penalty hits, it is always relevant to account for an enjoyable gaming experience. Going back to the group gameplay and facing a new type of enemy: Being kicked out of playing your main character for hours when the real person playing has only limited amount of time means in many cases groups have 1 try per day, upon failure, the objective for everyone who somehow survived is gone for that day as the group they rely upon is completely destroyed.


    OP: "True Item Rarity: Ensuring that high-ranking items are rare and valuable, enhancing the excitement of acquiring and discovering them."

    > This assumes that this cannot be the case for the current game design. It also ignores that the proposed loop makes the game itself not fun for anyone with any attachment to their characters, so there is no reason to aim for a "highly prestigeous" piece of gear, when nobody is invested in the game that piece of gear is part of in the first place.


    OP: "Solo Play Viability: Providing solo players with incentives to make their experience rewarding despite the challenges."

    > I don't see that at all, it seems more like a mindless character grind similar to these mobile games where you have a 1/1 Energy bar at the top of the screen and cannot continue to play when your Energy is down to 0.


    My Conclusion

    I honestly don't see any upside to this at all. This runs counter to anything immersion, engaging and creates uncanny similarities to trash mobile games that limit progress through locking people out of the game upon some arbitrary metric.
    The answer is probably >>> HERE <<<
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    It would also eliminate Corruption entirely, as nobody would ever let the attacker take the Corruption hit, because it would mean that they were locked out of the game for 5 hours.

    Such a shit idea.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
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    DepravedDepraved Member
    Krysis wrote: »
    Depraved wrote: »
    Krysis wrote: »
    Depraved wrote: »
    the hell.

    but solo players are already rewarded...what makes you think they arent?

    what would be the incentive to group up then if you get worse exp or items?

    and not playing your char for almost 5 hours if you die? wth

    I appreciate your feedback. Let me clarify a few points:

    Solo Player Rewards:

    Solo players do receive rewards, but my proposal aims to further balance the increased difficulty solo players would face with tougher monsters. The additional luck and XP bonuses are meant to keep solo play viable, not necessarily make it more rewarding than group play.
    Incentive for Group Play:

    Group play would still be incentivized by the increased difficulty of monsters, making it more practical to defeat them with a team. The idea is not to give worse XP or items to groups but to ensure that solo players can also progress without feeling overly punished by the higher difficulty.
    Death Penalty Duration:

    The death penalty is designed to add meaningful consequences to dying, encouraging more strategic play. However, the 4.8-hour timer is open for adjustment based on community feedback. The goal is to strike a balance between challenge and playability.
    Thanks for raising these points. Your input helps refine the idea!

    hold on.
    my proposal aims to further balance the increased difficulty solo players would face with tougher monsters.

    ensure that solo players can also progress without feeling overly punished by the higher difficulty.

    you want to increase mobs difficulty for solo players, but you don't want solo players to feel punished by fighting more difficult monsters? solo the solution is to give more xp to solo players?

    why not simply lower the difficulty of solo monsters... but what prevents people from duoing solo monsters then? you would most likely get more xp per hour anyway than soloing with bonus exp...

    Thanks for the feedback. Let me clarify further:

    Increased Monster Difficulty:

    The idea is to make the game more challenging overall by increasing monster difficulty. This change would apply to both solo and group play, aiming to extend the game's longevity and encourage strategic gameplay.
    Solo Player Balance:

    The increased difficulty means solo players face tougher challenges, so the proposed XP and luck bonuses are to ensure they can still make meaningful progress without feeling overly punished. It's not about making solo play easier, but about making it fairer given the increased difficulty.
    XP Distribution:

    XP will be determined by the number of players in the area and the damage done to the monster. This system ensures that solo players can still earn a fair amount of XP without feeling disadvantaged compared to groups.
    Boss Fights:

    For boss fights, players will have the option to go in solo for boosted rewards. This provides an additional incentive for solo play while maintaining the challenge and balance of the game.
    The goal is to ensure both solo and group play are rewarding and challenging in their own ways. Your points are valid, and finding the right balance will be key to ensuring a fair and enjoyable experience for all players. Thanks for the discussion—it's really helping to refine the idea!


    1- ok, thank you for clarifying. i understand what yu mean now. however, why increase the difficulty if we don't know how difficult the game alreadyis? (steven already had said it will be on the harder side). it could be that increasing the difficulty any more will make the game impossible...

    2- well, what matters is xp per hour and fun. killing 10 difficult monsters per hour at 100 xp each is the same as killing 100 easier mobs per hour at 10 xp each. but which one is more fun?
    also, the game tries to encourage you to group up. why offer incentives for not grouping up? solo players will always be at a disadvantage. consider there is also open world PVP.

    3- same thing, why encourage players to not group up? also no one is gonna solo bosses because you will die in PVP. seems to me you want to play solo and progress as fast as a party...just play in a party .-.
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    DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    I want to play an MMORPG right now and I have the free time, but I'm locked out of this one for 5 hours.
    I wonder what I will do...?
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    edited May 17
    Krysis wrote: »
    Hello Ashes of Creation community and developers,

    I have an idea to enhance the gameplay experience in Ashes of Creation, making it more challenging and immersive. This concept focuses on adjusting the time mechanics, death penalties, item rarity, and incentives for solo players.

    Concept Overview:

    Accelerated Time: The game time runs at 4.8 times the speed of real life. This means:
    5 in-game days = 1 real-life day.
    Crafting times reflect real-world durations (e.g., a 1-day crafting task takes 24 real-life hours).
    Death Mechanics:

    Death Timer: Upon death, players face a penalty timer lasting one in-game day (approximately 4.8 real-life hours).
    Player Character Status: When a player dies, their character is removed from the game temporarily. The player can either return to the lobby screen or spectate their party until it disbands.
    Monster Difficulty:

    Increased Challenge: Monsters are significantly tougher, increasing the overall game difficulty and extending the gameplay experience.
    Item Rarity:

    Rank F Items: Common
    Rank D Items: Uncommon
    Rank C Items: Rare
    Rank B Items: Epic
    Rank A Items: Legendary
    Rank S Items: Unique (1/1)
    Rank SS Items: Mythical
    This item hierarchy ensures that high-ranking items are genuinely rare, making them highly desirable and exciting to find.

    Solo Play Incentives:

    Bonus Luck and XP: Solo players receive increased luck and experience points to balance the difficulty of fighting tough monsters alone and to mitigate the harsh death penalties.
    Key Goals:

    Encouraging Group Play: The increased difficulty and meaningful death penalties are designed to foster a cooperative gaming experience.
    True Item Rarity: Ensuring that high-ranking items are rare and valuable, enhancing the excitement of acquiring and discovering them.
    Solo Play Viability: Providing solo players with incentives to make their experience rewarding despite the challenges.
    Conclusion:
    I believe these adjustments can make Ashes of Creation a more engaging and dynamic game, offering a balanced and challenging experience for both group and solo players. I would love to hear the community's thoughts on this idea.

    Thank you for considering my suggestion!

    Best regards,
    Krysis

    Not only no but Hell NO! But I appreciate your efforts to think things up! ; )

    Lol, I don't want 5 hours of my Saturday to be spent waiting to play again because some dipshit mass-pulled in a dungeon or someone's kid distracted them and they missed a heal.

    I think your item rarity scheme is a good one but it doesn't have inherent value. You're not giving an actual rarity schematic. You're just listing words you like associated with the rareness of items.

    I think this one is best left in the devs hands. This is where we're dependent on the intent of the world the creators want to create where items should be as rare as they need to be in order to create the environment these guys want to build.

    I don't think solo play vs. group play should change anything. If you go wrestle a bear in the wild you're going to be confronted with the same amount of resistance as if you had a group. The benefit of the group is that you personally have to manage a smaller portion of the pie. I think this naturally encourages people to make in-game connections.

    Also, there are always some bad mofos who actually solo badass bosses and it's super cool to be that person or see someone do that.

    I want to add that having more names for rarity does not inherently mean they are better managed. Those ratios are something that have to be thoroughly tested and manipulated and it hardly matters what you call them or how many tiers or brackets there are.

    You don't have to shut down someone's ability to play for 5 hours in order to give them a penalty worth avoiding enough to make death have meaning in a game. But many people don't have days of availability to play and I think it would suck if they lagged out and got killed doing something mundane and then the rest of their available game time based on real-world availability is just down the drain.

    This is like a game concept you could take to Neverwinter and make a fun world where you could have these rules but be able to server/host hop to a different environment once you shit the bed.
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    KrysisKrysis Member
    Dygz wrote: »
    I want to play an MMORPG right now and I have the free time, but I'm locked out of this one for 5 hours.
    I wonder what I will do...?

    FOMO
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    KrysisKrysis Member
    Honestly guy i just want a hard ass game that i can waste the rest of my life playing and still never be maxed out, where everyone is still running around with common gear after a month of playing.
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    AbaratAbarat Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    Krysis wrote: »

    Increased Challenge: Monsters are significantly tougher, increasing the overall game difficulty and extending the gameplay experience.
    [/b]

    Significantly tougher than what... we have not even fought a monster.
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    ApokApok Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    MMO players tend to like hard work and preparation but something like a death ban or lockout would give a lot of players anxiety.

    I prefer something more like Limbus in FFXI, to enter each person needed 2 key items, 1 bought and 1 farmed. enter with a time limit and kill certain mobs to up your time limit, clear an area to open a new one and so on. you could go in as a duo or small party to farm items or prep for an all out raid, and you were locked out for 72 hours after
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