Can we got banned on Alpha-2 for using exploits?

Sometimes when you already found bug or exploit you can go futher and find more
So question is:
Is it real to ge banned for using exploits on A2 that
1) Affect economy?
2) Affect other players in pvp/pve
3) Drop server
4) Your point in comments

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daveywavey

Surely Alpha-2 is where they want you to find the exploits?

Noaani

If you find a bug in an alpha, report it, then explore it further.

If they see you exploiting a bug you have not reported, they have no way of knowing if you intended to report it or not - and so a ban is valid.

If they see you exploiting a bug in an alpha but see that you have reported it - especially if in that report you state that you plan to explore it further, then they have no reason to ban you.

This does not hold true for bugs that can cause the server to crash, if you find them, report them and leave it at that.

I really fail to see a reason you would find a bug in an alpha (or live game) and not instantly report it. It isn't as if they are going to fix it immediately, so you have time to explore it a bit.

Chastiefol

Noaani wrote: »

If you find a bug in an alpha, report it, then explore it further.

If they see you exploiting a bug you have not reported, they have no way of knowing if you intended to report it or not - and so a ban is valid.

If they see you exploiting a bug in an alpha but see that you have reported it - especially if in that report you state that you plan to explore it further, then they have no reason to ban you.

This does not hold true for bugs that can cause the server to crash, if you find them, report them and leave it at that.

I really fail to see a reason you would find a bug in an alpha (or live game) and not instantly report it. It isn't as if they are going to fix it immediately, so you have time to explore it a bit.

Sounds fair
Hope admins have same view on topic
But we don't know yet

Dygz

If you don't report the exploits - maybe.
And... the devs will typically state which known exploits are bannable if you continue to use them.

I think A1 had a Gold drop exploit. Primarily the ones who initiated the Gold drop were the ones who were banned, but...
Once we knew that it was not the devs initiating the Gold drop for testing purposes.... it's not OK to take advantage of the exploit when/if it reoccurs.

Kilion

If there is any place where you would want players to double and triple down on exploits its during the Alpha. Obviously (to me) that excludes breaching the terms of service regarding Real Money Transactions and maybe exploits through player abuse.

As for things like Bots: I just hope Intrepid has a professional team try to break those into the game to gather data on bot behavior or to have key players, verified humans to build a decent database on how humans act in contrast to machines. Someting like that. Exploiting a security breach to bot as an Alpha Player should still have consequences.

In general however, I think as long as you report the exploits you found that can break the game, you are in the clear.

Taleof2Cities

Kilion wrote: »

As for things like Bots: I just hope Intrepid has a professional team try to break those into the game to gather data on bot behavior …

I hate bots, too, but at a minimum entry of $75 (USD) for most Alpha-2 players, I don’t think we’re going to see bots during this testing session.

Kilion

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

As for things like Bots: I just hope Intrepid has a professional team try to break those into the game to gather data on bot behavior …

I hate bots, too, but at a minimum entry of $75 (USD) for most Alpha-2 players, I don’t think we’re going to see bots during this testing session.

Agreed, but since Intrepid needs to develop their security systems to identify and eliminate them, I think it would make sense for them to try and invade the Alpha with bots themselves.

Smaashley

I think Intrepid has common sens as well... Wouldn't make sens to report a bug and get banned. Even if it's a known bug and you exploit it, they just have to fix their game. Until then, see how far the bug can go 😉

Veeshan

If you find them and report them im sure it be fine but if u find them and exploit them definetly not tbh

Aszkalon

Chastiefol wrote: »

Can we got banned on Alpha-2 for using exploits ?

Curious Question : why would You want to even use Exploits in the first Place ? But to be completely honest,

i don't really care about Exploits or not - AS LONG AS - it doesn't create an unfair Advantage against Someone else. And since Alpha Two is not even the finished Game, i wouldn't mind if someone actually does. It's not a Reason to get upset about Unfairness because it is not the finished Game.

If i could use an " Exploit " - > to give me a Lift in exploring the World - > reaching Places i could never reach without a flying Mount or something else,

then i don't mind at all. In fact i welcome everything that helps this eternal Discovery-Adventurer inside me.

But imagine the Game would be finished one Day. It might happen before we die in Reallife. No Sarcasm here.

When you get swindled, scammed, cheated by some Competition so that You for Example can not get a Tavern, Freehold, whatever else it is in the Game that You would eagerly like to have,

and You simply are prevented from getting it, just because someone cheated - then i can promise You with great Confidence that you don't want that People can use Exploits against you.

CROW3

Just to reiterate: Alpha 2 is not a game, it’s a testing period. You need to find exploits report them, and retest them once Intrepid publishes their retest focus.

You are not playing early access Ashes.

Glir

In my humble opinion, they should reward players for finding Alpha 2 exploits, not ban them. Because in this way a huge number of bugs and dupes will be discovered.

Arya_Yeshe

findig exploits is part of the alpha job, and filling forms, you are not there for "playing to win" at the game

Korela

If your actions interfere with other testers' ability to test, I hope you are banned from doing so.

Mag7spy

Lineager wrote: »

In my humble opinion, they should reward players for finding Alpha 2 exploits, not ban them. Because in this way a huge number of bugs and dupes will be discovered.

So they should be reward for exploiting until its fixed even if it is at the cost of a server wipe from over use? Asking since post is directed towards more exploiting then simply finding it and testing some elements of it to give proper feedback.

Glir

Mag7spy wrote: »

Lineager wrote: »

In my humble opinion, they should reward players for finding Alpha 2 exploits, not ban them. Because in this way a huge number of bugs and dupes will be discovered.

So they should be reward for exploiting until its fixed even if it is at the cost of a server wipe from over use? Asking since post is directed towards more exploiting then simply finding it and testing some elements of it to give proper feedback.

Whoever first reports a bug, dupe, or exploit receives a reward. Others will not be given a reward for the same report.

Nerror

For using serious exploits and deliberately not reporting them, sure, a ban might be in order, Like, discovering a duping exploit and keeping it to yourself. That should be a perma-ban if found out.

As long as people report the exploits and don't overuse them if they are big and it thus seriously affects the quality of the testing, it's all good IMO. I know Intrepid has said they don't want to wipe often, and I hope so as well, but realistically I think we are going to have many wipes in A2 anyway, so any damage from exploits will be limited.

wakkytabbaky

honestly if theres a serious exploit and you are found exploiting it should just have your whole A2 account reset and a strike put against your account and then 2-3 strikes your account is permabanned till release / the next full A2 wipe.

obviously for really bad exploits perma ban off the bat but other ones where a bunch of people are doing it and its not too gamebreaking then a account reset wouldnt hurt

nanfoodle

My self, if I found a bug I would just report it and try and find everyway to exploit it. Everything I learned I would just report. If you fear this process. Testing may not be for you. Testing is all about transparency. If you struggle with that. Don't test. Just my two cents.

daveywavey

Korela wrote: »

If your actions interfere with other testers' ability to test, I hope you are banned from doing so.

You see, these are exactly the kinds of things that we need people to be doing, so that they can be fixed. The more things the Alpha-2 testers break, the better the game will be on launch. And that's what we're all after.

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