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Constant / Excessive Jumping, and Mitigation

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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Liniker wrote: »
    idk whats up with people trying to force others playing the way they think looks cool... just let people jump as much as they want ffs

    You might as well bring the stuffertons in, neon bright pink dyes for armors and weapons, modern cosmetics. Let ppl do whatever they want.

    Do you think any of these things won't eventually be in the game?
  • LinikerLiniker Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited June 2024
    hleV wrote: »
    What's up with people failing to grasp that to some, needless jumping around looks dumb, and they'd rather have this dumbness limited? We have a beautiful game world, beautifully looking characters, but if the character controls like mario then that's probably not great?

    its a fucking video game mate, so now you wanna control/limit how people move their characters based on what you think looks good? whats next running should be tied to a heart beat system because in real life people dont run around all the time and we should be walking?

    hey the chicken emote looks dumb lets remove it!
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  • TaakuTaaku Member
    The problem with your solutions to "excessive jumping" is that they are far to expensive and timely to implement for something that really is not an issue. Sorry but spam jumping gives no buffs to people that do it. Maybe the people complaining about how other people have fun should focus more on themselves instead of what others are doing.
  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited June 2024
    Liniker wrote: »
    hleV wrote: »
    What's up with people failing to grasp that to some, needless jumping around looks dumb, and they'd rather have this dumbness limited? We have a beautiful game world, beautifully looking characters, but if the character controls like mario then that's probably not great?

    its a fucking video game mate, so now you wanna control/limit how people move their characters based on what you think looks good? whats next running should be tied to a heart beat system because in real life people dont run around all the time and we should be walking?

    hey the chicken emote looks dumb lets remove it!

    Lets
  • KhronusKhronus Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    The game allows you to jump freely. During Alpha 1, free movement was a HUGE issue. Attacks would force you to move forward and lock you into an animation that felt completely awful. It would have killed the game on arrival and lucky for us, this team truly cares about the community and changed it very fast.

    Giving players the freedom to jump only to cause them to have any sort of counter measure that directly takes away that freedom is ridiculous. Punishing someone for spamming spacebar when it does not benefit you to spam it in the first place doesn't make sense.

    There is no such thing as bunny hopping as it is since true bunny hopping gives you a benefit for doing so. True bunny hopping glitches the mechanics and gives damage reduction, faster movement, reduced stamina usage which are not a part of AoC.

    Don't change jumping. Allow people to spam spacebar if they want to and don't waste time developing useless mechanics that WILL be abused. Forcing movement speed changes, jump punishments or things like that are why bunny hopping are even possible.
  • AszkalonAszkalon Member, Alpha Two
    Liniker wrote: »
    idk whats up with people trying to force others playing the way they think looks cool... just let people jump as much as they want ffs

    I give You my Like only because You added "FFS" at the End of your Comment, Liniker. I love it when People swear and curse.

    Kidding :D Please forgive me.



    Actually, Yes. Why not, in Case of doubt ? Let People play the way they like. That being said, Liniker - don't regret the optical Horrors You just summoned in a handful of Years or so. :D (hahahahahahahahahahaah)
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  • RagingWarriorRagingWarrior Member, Alpha Two
    This would be too much oversight, in my opinion. Let the people have their fun! While I am not a constant jumper, I know some people who have this built into their rotations and don't even know they are doing it. It's just how their hands work at this point - ha!
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  • NeurotoxinNeurotoxin Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    This would be too much oversight, in my opinion. Let the people have their fun! While I am not a constant jumper, I know some people who have this built into their rotations and don't even know they are doing it. It's just how their hands work at this point - ha!

    It requires decisions to be made by the team either way. It is fine to let jumpers be jumpers, so long as there is not a mechanical benefit being granted for it. If there is, it should be addressed and balanced. Are the devs sitting around testing and balancing around jumping vs not jumping right now? Nah probably not, it is likely something they'd rather wait til A2 to see and determine if it needs to be addressed at all.

    So far I see 5 people who replied in support potential balancing or mitigation, 9 who don't want any balancing, 4 who kinda seem to be "as long as there's no advantage its fine" and 2 who I'm not exactly sure the point you're making. This isn't really a sampling of the whole population of players, but at this point I think we really need to see how it plays first-hand to get a better idea of how it exists now and whether it is fine or has some issues.

    We all know Steven is a frequent jumper so they won't go too far on mitigation of jump-related activities. I have a feeling you can't air-block or air-dodge anyway so being in the air means likely you're already somewhat defenseless.
  • RuerikRuerik Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Careful guys, we are going to start a jumping megathread at this rate.
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  • excmattexcmatt Member
    Noaani wrote: »
    hleV wrote: »
    Liniker wrote: »
    idk whats up with people trying to force others playing the way they think looks cool... just let people jump as much as they want ffs
    What's up with people failing to grasp that to some, needless jumping around looks dumb, and they'd rather have this dumbness limited? We have a beautiful game world, beautifully looking characters, but if the character controls like mario then that's probably not great?

    Who cares if you think it looks dumb?

    If other people are having fun doing it, you have no say in the matter.

    A great looking world is great - but the world only exists for people to have fun in. If people have fun jumping around, then not allowing that fun to happen is a waste of that great game world.

    If seeing that is ruining your fun (and wow would that say a lot about you), then what you want to do is find a game that is aiming for realism. As a hint - anything with a fantasy setting probably isn't aiming for realism.

    You can't look at this only from one side. Someone who enjoys jumping will support jumping. Someone who doesn’t like it will be against it. The answer should lie somewhere in the middle.

    No one wants jumping to be removed completely, and no one wants to stop those who enjoy it from doing it. But if someone is visually bothered by it, you can’t force them to be okay with it and just accept it either.

    It’s like if I, as a PvP player, said that I would prefer the penalty for PK (player killing) to be significantly lower or even non-existent. However, many people would complain that they only want PvE, not PvP.

    The system was designed in a way to satisfy both sides to a certain degree. So jumping should work in a similar way — if you want to jump just for fun, you should be able to… but for example, jumping could slow down your movement speed.

    That way, if you wanted to be efficient, you wouldn’t jump. This would limit jumping significantly without banning it completely for those who simply enjoy doing it for fun.
  • sellazerosellazero Member, Alpha Two
    Guys i don't want to offend anybody but for me ,the game is looking good etc..., Dark Age of Camelot PvP is superior to Ashes....It's more tactical and you must position to make weapon style hit the enemy and make good damage...in this game honestly i see only jumping and hit and jumping and disengage. i hope the dev balance this and why not take inspiration from Daoc
  • ApokApok Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Jumping isn't making people harder to hit they jump to counter the slow you get from ranged attacked, it's a strategy used to keep attacking with ranged while staying out of melee.

    What they need to do is a) stop being able to dodge after a jump, that's just silly b) stop people from jumping while attacking, the speed reduction is supposed to be a balance thing which is countered by the jumping.

    The issues with targeting people is an issue with targeting in general, the action mode cam has a really hard time targeting anything right in front of you if the crosshairs are above the target. It's also not re-acquiring targets when they loose them. Like if a rouge goes stealth mode and comes back the player won't have a target and has to tab to get a target again, making the aiming system a useless gimmick
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    excmatt wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    hleV wrote: »
    Liniker wrote: »
    idk whats up with people trying to force others playing the way they think looks cool... just let people jump as much as they want ffs
    What's up with people failing to grasp that to some, needless jumping around looks dumb, and they'd rather have this dumbness limited? We have a beautiful game world, beautifully looking characters, but if the character controls like mario then that's probably not great?

    Who cares if you think it looks dumb?

    If other people are having fun doing it, you have no say in the matter.

    A great looking world is great - but the world only exists for people to have fun in. If people have fun jumping around, then not allowing that fun to happen is a waste of that great game world.

    If seeing that is ruining your fun (and wow would that say a lot about you), then what you want to do is find a game that is aiming for realism. As a hint - anything with a fantasy setting probably isn't aiming for realism.

    You can't look at this only from one side. Someone who enjoys jumping will support jumping. Someone who doesn’t like it will be against it. The answer should lie somewhere in the middle.

    No it shouldn't.

    You absolutely can look at this from one side, because those that don't like it have no good reason for not liking it. Just "not liking it" is not a reason, it is an opinion.

    This doesn't mean we are telling people that are bothered by it to just accept it. Rather, we are telling them to harden the fuck up and realize they are not the center of the world and things do not only exist for their enjoyment.

    So, it's telling them to accept it but in a much harsher, real world kind of way.
  • excmattexcmatt Member
    edited 9:13AM
    Noaani wrote: »
    excmatt wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    hleV wrote: »
    Liniker wrote: »
    idk whats up with people trying to force others playing the way they think looks cool... just let people jump as much as they want ffs
    What's up with people failing to grasp that to some, needless jumping around looks dumb, and they'd rather have this dumbness limited? We have a beautiful game world, beautifully looking characters, but if the character controls like mario then that's probably not great?

    Who cares if you think it looks dumb?

    If other people are having fun doing it, you have no say in the matter.

    A great looking world is great - but the world only exists for people to have fun in. If people have fun jumping around, then not allowing that fun to happen is a waste of that great game world.

    If seeing that is ruining your fun (and wow would that say a lot about you), then what you want to do is find a game that is aiming for realism. As a hint - anything with a fantasy setting probably isn't aiming for realism.

    You can't look at this only from one side. Someone who enjoys jumping will support jumping. Someone who doesn’t like it will be against it. The answer should lie somewhere in the middle.

    No it shouldn't.

    You absolutely can look at this from one side, because those that don't like it have no good reason for not liking it. Just "not liking it" is not a reason, it is an opinion.

    This doesn't mean we are telling people that are bothered by it to just accept it. Rather, we are telling them to harden the fuck up and realize they are not the center of the world and things do not only exist for their enjoyment.

    So, it's telling them to accept it but in a much harsher, real world kind of way.

    You are wrong. An opinion is that I don't like it, and the reason or fact is that it looks stupid when you can constantly jump like a frog.
    Why even have walking and running if everyone just keeps jumping?
    It doesn't leave a good impression when you see dozens of people on the screen fighting, but everyone is jumping around like monkeys, rabbits, and frogs.
    They might as well have added such races to the game, and then I wouldn’t have anything to complain about.

  • people jump constantly for their mental sanity when they are playing a boring game or doing ingame chores
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