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Ranger or Mage: Which one do you think will have more single-target DPS

ArtharionArtharion Member, Alpha Two
edited August 3 in General Discussion
Even though both classes are oriented towards DPS, each has its differences. The archer ranger on having more mobility and probably somewhat more defense, while the mage likely has good crowd control (CC), decent mobility, and better area DPS than the archer. However, if we analyze the single-target DPS, which of the two classes do you think will have more?

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  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    Is the question "who will have more single target damage abilities" or "who can do more dps to a single target"?

    Cause I think Ranger for former and Mage for latter.
  • DripyulaDripyula Member
    Just from a generic fantasy standart I would suspect the Ranger to have better single target DPS.

    Mages can conjur big AoE's much better with a far spread spell.
    How can a bunch of spread out physical projectiles even compare? A shotgun maybe... but a bow or crossbow will just feel stretched as usual.
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  • AzheraeAzherae Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I expect this to be spec dependent obviously, but if both are aiming as high as possible, then Ranger will have the most.

    I also personally think that Ranger/Ranger will be higher than Ranger/Mage, but Ranger/Mage will be more effective in terms of actually killing targets without dying (in both PvP and PvE), and not too far behind, damage wise. Again, assuming 'absolute single target DPS spec'.
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  • LaetitianLaetitian Member
    Azherae wrote: »
    I expect this to be spec dependent obviously, but if both are aiming as high as possible, then Ranger will have the most.
    Seconded, but both will probably have some seriously tempting distractions from that build. The Ranger for CC and survivability, the mage for CC and AoE.
    Azherae wrote: »
    II also personally think that Ranger/Ranger (Hawkeye) will be higher than Ranger/Mage (Scion), but Ranger/Mage will be more effective in terms of actually killing targets without dying.
    Perhaps. Also, Mage-Ranger (Spellhunter) is probably going to be among the most threatening single-target mage classes.
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  • AszkalonAszkalon Member, Alpha Two
    Right now i have the Impression that the Ranger has the bigger DPS.


    " Impression " so to say. I am still as smart as in September 2023. Meaning i don't know jack. :D


    The Ranger shoots away like a humanoid Gatling-Gun sometimes. The Mages looks like casts probably heavy-hitting Spells, but nowhere near as fast and frequently as the Ranger does.
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  • ImmortuiImmortui Member
    Aszkalon wrote: »
    Right now i have the Impression that the Ranger has the bigger DPS.


    " Impression " so to say. I am still as smart as in September 2023. Meaning i don't know jack. :D


    The Ranger shoots away like a humanoid Gatling-Gun sometimes. The Mages looks like casts probably heavy-hitting Spells, but nowhere near as fast and frequently as the Ranger does.

    I have the same impression. I think they said that they dont like when mages are casting stationary and they focused on mobility. You can move while channeling spells and all... I think this could be a mistake. They talk a lot about risk vs reward, I'd like to see mage be a caster in a more casting big spells while standing still, this being better risk vs reward in a pvp scenario :smiley: You are super powerful but you are also easy target. This mage they keep showing just doesn't really satisfy my "mage caster dps" fantasies :smiley:
    In a lot of way the gameplay for mage feels similar to ranger, a lot of dps and a lot of mobility. Idk, just my thoughts.
  • ArtharionArtharion Member, Alpha Two
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  • LodrigLodrig Member, Alpha Two
    The correct answer is...

    Mage with Ranger Subclass, aka "SpellHunter"

    The base mage should have few single target spells, being AOE focused, but the addition of Ranger augments (lets call it 'Focus') would transform many of the Mages AOE spells into single target spells making them the maximally efficient single target nuker. If the base mage is Artilery, and the Ranger is a Sniper, then the SpellHunter is a laserguided Bomb.
    Immortui wrote: »
    I have the same impression. I think they said that they dont like when mages are casting stationary and they focused on mobility. You can move while channeling spells and all... I think this could be a mistake. They talk a lot about risk vs reward, I'd like to see mage be a caster in a more casting big spells while standing still, this being better risk vs reward in a pvp scenario :smiley: You are super powerful but you are also easy target. This mage they keep showing just doesn't really satisfy my "mage caster dps" fantasies :smiley:
    In a lot of way the gameplay for mage feels similar to ranger, a lot of dps and a lot of mobility. Idk, just my thoughts.

    I generally agree with this sentiment, that the Mages as show fells too Ranger like. I think it is about half way to what the Mage should be when Ranger augments are applied. For example the default Mage should be very slow moving when casting but another Ranger augment 'Freedom' gives them the movement we were shown as the default Mage. Conversly a Mage on Mage augment "Empowered" could see a Mage get bigger nukes at the cost of being rooted durring casting and longer cooldowns for that classic Megumin gameplay.
  • tautautautau Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Not a well thought question, I fear. Why? It all depends on the target, doesn't it? If it is a mob with weak magic defense, you get a different answer if it is a mob which is easy to bleed...etc.

    So, both answers are right, or wrong, depending on the mob (or player) you are fighting. Which means you can have great fun with either!
  • DolyemDolyem Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Too many variables to guess accurately. Logically I would say whichever has less mobility/survivability will be capable of more dps. So traditionally I would say mages would likely have more dps... Or at the very least more burst damage when it comes to ranged classes.
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  • Swifty00Swifty00 Member
    I think it will depend more on your augments and the opponents you are fighting than the main archetype.
  • Chonkers1Chonkers1 Member
    Generally, ranger should deal more single target damage
    Mage may be favored in very magic damage favoring situations
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Artharion wrote: »
    Even though both classes are oriented towards DPS, each has its differences. The archer ranger on having more mobility and probably somewhat more defense, while the mage likely has good crowd control (CC), decent mobility, and better area DPS than the archer. However, if we analyze the single-target DPS, which of the two classes do you think will have more?

    Whichever one I'm playing against. :(
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