Dear Intrepid: You caved to the masses, and it hurts

SirChancelot

Didn't they straight up say they wanted more bodies for testing and that's why they opened it back up for sale

If they want 100 testers and then sell 100 packs then 3-5 years later 30 of those people are no longer interested/able to play... It would make sense that they would need to pull in some new blood again.

nanfoodle

OG kick start backer here. For me, this is a best case scenario. People are loving the game so much we have this mess to test. It's everything most of us hoped for. IMO this is everyone's game now.

Heljy

I will never understand those who have paid for a service, and complain that others have access to it at another price.

Rather than being jealous of the players who can play for less than you, you could be otherwise happy for them, at least for game development so the community and financial resources have increased.

Anyway, a little positivity, you’ll see it’s easier to live with.

Kassian

What do you want? A badge on your profile that tells everyone you spent big boy money?

Noaani

darksinge wrote: »

Basically, I was just trying to say, "Hey Intrepid, you gave in to the whims of the roiling of the masses who had no investment in the game. It would be great if you could show the same deference to those who've already bought in and been around for a while by tossing us a bone." For many of us, that "bone" is more opportunities to participate in testing and providing early feedback.

Oh, so you want to be wrong in a different way.

Intrepid saw they had either a want or a need for more testers than they had, so they got more.

Are you saying they shouldn't have? Are you saying they should have had fewer testers for server stress testing?

I'm sure that isn't what you mean, because that sounds to me like someone that wants Ashes to fail.

Laetitian

Noaani wrote:

Intrepid saw they had either a want or a need for more testers than they had, so they got more.

Are you saying they shouldn't have? Are you saying they should have had fewer testers for server stress testing?

No, he doesn't want fewer testers. He just wants to be more important than the other testers because he committed first and is therefore a more capable authority on correct advice for the game's design. /s

darksinge wrote: »

It's clear some of you didn't read my post. It should be clear from the first few lines that I don't believe I'm owed anything by Intrepid. For those of you who can't read -- or can't read through your rainbow colored glasses -- I'm completely aware that my purchase came with risk and without any guarantees.

No, I read your thread. I just read it a second time and sure enough, I remembered all of these statements.
But hedging words like "To be clear, these are just complaints. There are already posts containing the same sentiments, so this is mainly for my own catharsis," and "But still, this feels bad. It's not unfair, yet I feel as though I've been wronged," are meaningless empty words, if you then end your post asking the devs to "make amends" to you. In bold, no less. You can't claim that you're just venting your "negative feelings", if do it in a call to action.

And you can't claim that you agree with the sentiment of crowdfunding, and then make all your complaints in this thread about how "you're treated," in exchange for your money, instead of focusing on the purpose of the donation said money was dedicated to, which is developing the game.

Unfortunately, you're too busy being offended for this thread to go anywhere. You didn't pay any attention to the question I asked you about what amends you want. Which is why I didn't bother replying again at first.
You've since answered the question to someone else however: You want (for example) to get more testing access than other players. You want other people to be punished and excluded from participation, so you can keep feeling superior.

Keep whining if that's all you can do, but you still have a chance to take a step back and recognise how conceited you're being. You're begging for praise for being the foundation of this game; except you've already been praised and rewarded plenty for your contribution, but you specifically demand infinite continued recognition, and that no one who comes after you should ever be praised on your level. It's more and more shocking the more you go into detail about what it really is you're asking for in practice.

darksinge wrote:

Basically, I was just trying to say, "Hey Intrepid, you gave in to the whims of the roiling of the masses who had no investment in the game.

They just paid 90$ for phase 1 Alpha 2 access, at least 15$ for 1 month of subscription (value subject to change, likely going up), and 15$ for premium content they may or may not want.
You paid 90$ for phase 1 Alpha 2 access, at least 90$ for 6 months of subscription (value subject to change, likely going up, further reducing the cost you had to pay for the Alpha itself with every additional dollar of value added to the subscription), and up to 70$ for an absolute mountain of premium content you claim you didn't want, which was your choice to accept in order to guarantee alpha access.
(Looking at these particular numbers it actually seems fairly transparent to me that the Alpha 2 access price was always marked at exactly 100$ value, discounted -10% in the bundle, in which case absolutely nothing changed between the price back then and the price now.)

So how does it make sense to diminish these new Alpha players' contribution on the basis of them having "no investment" in the game when the only "giving in to the whims of the roiling masses" that they received and you're complaining about literally had the explicit purpose of giving those masses a way to make the same investment into the game as you had made in exchange for the alpha access?
"How dare they unfairly reward those who don't have an investment in the game, by giving them an opportunity to invest in the game?" - talk about fighting windmills.

You had more risk attached to the payment, but again, that's the point of crowdfunding. The reward is that the game was made at all. That's a pretty awesome reward for the risk; no further compensation required. It just so happens that other people get to benefit from your noble sacrificial risk. If you can't tolerate that, don't crowdfund.

AlmostDead wrote:

On the other hand, it seems very obvious that IS created an artificial FOMO event to capture the people willing to pay $250 for A2 access before magically determining that they could accommodate more people and then moving downstream to the next tier of people willing to pay $120.

There's only so much FOMO prevention you can engage in before you just have to rely on people's agency. If you can't comprehend that the purpose of a crowdfunding campaign is donating for the development of something you want to succeed, and any rewards you get are equivalent to the free meal you get as "compensation" for your blood donation, then the problem is with your education and upbringing. Some things exist and you can't have them if you don't have the surplus cash; donations should be squarely on the top of that list. If you want us to eliminate all FOMO in order to protect you from yourself, civilisation would have to cease to exist.

Noaani

Laetitian wrote: »

Noaani wrote:

Intrepid saw they had either a want or a need for more testers than they had, so they got more.

Are you saying they shouldn't have? Are you saying they should have had fewer testers for server stress testing?

No, he doesn't want fewer testers. He just wants to be more important than the other testers because he committed first and is therefore a more capable authority on correct advice for the game's design..

Yeah, I know.

I'm trying to get him to realize that himself, rather than just telling him - that is far more effective.

Edit to add; this is just between me and you, right?

Laetitian

I'm not telling if you won't.

daveywavey

They always made it clear that other purchase options could be available. And they're entitled to sell their product for however much they choose.

Anotherelf

My input here is that you should put your head down and focus on your own space. if you don't feel slighted via the price originally, and other's sharp opinion from outside your view stings...mind your own business and stop concerning yourself with others.
You bought the thing you wanted, it's here and you're hopefully enjoying it. Get on with your life.
Problem solved.
I read the post fully, and I relate a little. I never thought of it until reading your post however. ignoring all the logic people are throwing at you about the equality of the deals...
You come across as a very fragile and soft person. Just stop concerning yourself with others. Enjoy what you have.
Peace. o/

CROW3

darksinge wrote: »

To be clear, these are just complaints. There are already posts containing the same sentiments, so this is mainly for my own catharsis.

Yeah, I hear you. Sometimes you just need to scream on the street. I don't agree with your perspective, but I think it's good for the community to have a spectrum of honest reactions.