Please Remove the Sit/Rest Mechanic

In general I dislike the sit/rest mechanic immensely. It ruins all of my interest in the game to test and/or experience currently. It feels like you have to create and play as a Bard or Cleric to simply test and play through the A2 currently.

If you would like to retain the Sit/Rest mechanic please make it so HP/Mana fully regenerates while resting over 5-10 seconds. Having to sit and waste away hours of our IRL life's while our virtual character sits doing nothing on the ground is mind numbing. Please don't make RP'ing as a hobo (sitting on the ground randomly throughout the world and talking to ourselves for entertainment) a core game play mechanic.

Sitting constantly is not interesting, it is not compelling, mobs are constantly spawning around you while you are forced to rest, resting doesn't work, resting takes way too long, resting is a waste of player time, resting adds no value to the game, sitting/resting should be shot into the sun never to return.

Please have our characters regen HP/Mana out of combat like a normal game.

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beretta7

I literally just started the game but no way they could change a mechanic like that to 5 or 10 seconds without rebalancing A LOT. I don't know if they have potions or self heals/bandages, but that needs to be the way to heal. They can keep sit but they need to have a self heal or items to do so that have cooldowns depending on balance. Only reason I say keep sit is because it has no bearing on balance because it's so damn slow. It's for the poor folks that can't afford potions in a system of item healing.

Fippy

Do you have rations? The sit/rest feels like an "oh shit I forgot rations" mechanic, because with rations, resting only takes a few seconds to full health and mana? At least, so far in my expeirence.

Lark Wyll

Fippy wrote: »

Do you have rations? The sit/rest feels like an "oh shit I forgot rations" mechanic, because with rations, resting only takes a few seconds to full health and mana? At least, so far in my expeirence.

Yes, I have some food/rations, but they're also bugged and not working correctly. Also, the food from NPC's are expensive compared to the poor earnings you receive while levelling with the rate at which you need to consume them (basically after every 1-3 mobs when not in a group). Cleric and Bard's won't feel this pain, but the other classes are punished currently to prop up an archaic design of giving unnecessary dependency on support classes to facilitate damage based roles or melee roles in being able to play the game.

Imnotkio

It is a great mechanic. It encourages people to group up and use proper party composition (with clerics and bards). It also creates a progression path for crafted food and brings more value to the cooking profession.

Additionally, it provides a nice break during the grind session, for groups to chit-chat, breathe, and then return. You could argue that ppl can do that when they wish to, but that's not how MMO players work. They will do the most efficient route, even if it feels exhausting or boring to them. So you have to create these forced moments.

Verus

I support the existing system, though perhaps with modified regeneration numbers. It makes sense to recuperate better while sitting down.

Lark Wyll

Imnotkio wrote: »

It is a great mechanic. It encourages people to group up and use proper party composition (with clerics and bards). It also creates a progression path for crafted food and brings more value to the cooking profession.

Additionally, it provides a nice break during the grind session, for groups to chit-chat, breathe, and then return. You could argue that ppl can do that when they wish to, but that's not how MMO players work. They will do the most efficient route, even if it feels exhausting or boring to them. So you have to create these forced moments.

The problem with that thought process is levelling at the very start of a mmo isn't a group based activity. People log in at different times and go through the grind to level up to group content. Requiring players to find random other players and run around for hours or not log in to play until their group is on is silly, unrealistic, not viable.

Group oriented required gameplay should be contained to POI's, group pvp content, dungeons and open pve poi content. Grouping can't be required to advance from level 7 to 8. That is ridiculous.

What is a player that starts the game a month after it launches on live supposed to do? They have to level as a solo player. This thought that there will always be massive crowds of high player pop at every level for players to group up with and clear past the first couple weeks of live launch is as unrealistic as it gets. It is not tenable. The game will fail if it forces bad experiences like this on players.

Group required for pvp, fine and dandy.

Group required for endgame, cool.

Group required for clearing PVE POI's for rare drops, check makes sense.

Group required at level 2 before you set your key binds? Non-starter failure to launch, DOA (dead on arrival).

Imnotkio

Lark Wyll wrote: »

The problem with that thought process is levelling at the very start of a mmo isn't a group based acrivity. People log in at different times and go through the grind to level up to group content. Requiring players to find random other players and run around for hours or not log in to play until their group is on is silly, unrealistic, not viable.

Group oriented required gameplay shpuld be contained to POI's, group pvp content, dungeons and open pve poi content. Grouping can't be required to advance from level 7 to 8. That is ridiculous.

It's not required, It's heavily incentivized. You can still level up solo, and there are easier spots and lower-level mobs that you can farm if you want to have a non-stop gameplay grind. You can also, at later stages of the realm (a few months in) buy better food and speed up the process, you can get better gear for cheaper at the market, which will all help in the leveling process early on for people that are going in late and solo.

However, I disagree that leveling is not a group-based activity. From level 7 to 8 that can be a few hours, the game already started mate, it starts at level 1 and not at max level. The entire game should be better if you're in a group. This is not a modern endgame mentality MMO where you will solo 1 to 50 doing MSQ to start playing with friends.

Lark Wyll

How do you think players that get a late start on live launch to level up if the game forces group play early on? Do they need to beg higher levels to spend long hours to buddy up with them through the level process? There won't be a train of people everywhere for them to randomly connect with.

Azherae

This reminds me of a really basic thought I had.

The Sanctus Care Package gives the wrong type of salve, honestly. Should be Mana.

iARN

I like the rest mechanic. I would hate to see it removed. It allows for time to breath, and time to interact socially in my MMO... crazy concept these days, I know.

Kalnazzar

Lark Wyll wrote: »

In general I dislike the sit/rest mechanic immensely. It ruins all of my interest in the game to test and/or experience currently. It feels like you have to create and play as a Bard or Cleric to simply test and play through the A2 currently.

If you would like to retain the Sit/Rest mechanic please make it so HP/Mana fully regenerates while resting over 5-10 seconds. Having to sit and waste away hours of our IRL life's while our virtual character sits doing nothing on the ground is mind numbing. Please don't make RP'ing as a hobo (sitting on the ground randomly throughout the world and talking to ourselves for entertainment) a core game play mechanic.

Sitting constantly is not interesting, it is not compelling, mobs are constantly spawning around you while you are forced to rest, resting doesn't work, resting takes way too long, resting is a waste of player time, resting adds no value to the game, sitting/resting should be shot into the sun never to return.

Please have our characters regen HP/Mana out of combat like a normal game.

It sounds like you’re eager to streamline gameplay, but I think resting and engaging with resource mechanics adds valuable depth to the experience. Using a combination of healing items, rations, and resting allows players to recover health and mana in just a few ticks—roughly four, in most cases. This system isn’t a barrier; it’s a feature designed to encourage planning, pacing, and immersion.

Now, I do agree that the resting mechanic could be enhanced. Adding player-crafted camps, similar to New World, could provide utility without serving as respawn points. Camps would allow for basic cooking and provide a way to feed and water mounts while traveling in addition to direct feeding, helping players stay prepared for longer journeys. On that note, I’d also love to see mounts with their own health, stamina, food, and water bars, so they require attention and care as we explore.

As for mount sprinting, it would feel much more intuitive if it used the [C] key, just like player sprinting, with stamina management making it more dynamic. This kind of system would make resource management an integral part of the journey rather than a chore, enhancing immersion and adding meaningful gameplay layers.

Flashfirez23

There’s already items and mechanics to help you recover like having a bard, rations, mana salves, gear, and temporary buffs. I am sure more will be added to help alleviate this.

Caeryl

Lark Wyll wrote: »

How do you think players that get a late start on live launch to level up if the game forces group play early on? Do they need to beg higher levels to spend long hours to buddy up with them through the level process? There won't be a train of people everywhere for them to randomly connect with.

Worth noting that the current plan is that if anyone in your group differs 3 levels or more from a mob you kill, the entire group receives reduced exp and loot drop chances. A max level player actually cannot help a low level player level up in the current design plan, outside of providing crafted items.

Bleud

My opinion, is that the slow regen is a good thing ultimately, they could raise it a little bit but i think it really forces players to prepare and coordinate more. If you want to solo content and not think just play retail WoW. Being able to sit and recover mana is not the final answer it's just the start. It's an mmo so get a bard or cleric to run content or prepare food/potions.
Also i noticed some weapon skills increase mana gen when im fighting like my bow skill tree gives me mana when i use a finisher.

nanfoodle

Group with a Bard, you will both be happy. I'm always looking for a team. I just got a new mana skill that dose aoe 4 team mates get a burst of mana on top of my mana regen song.

Lark Wyll

Bleud wrote: »

My opinion, is that the slow regen is a good thing ultimately, they could raise it a little bit but i think it really forces players to prepare and coordinate more. If you want to solo content and not think just play retail WoW. Being able to sit and recover mana is not the final answer it's just the start. It's an mmo so get a bard or cleric to run content or prepare food/potions.
Also i noticed some weapon skills increase mana gen when im fighting like my bow skill tree gives me mana when i use a finisher.

I've never really been a WoW player fyi or ESO or FF14. I've never hit max level in any of those games as I was bored to death. I do play sandbox mmo's a ton like New World since launch (not as sandy anymore for levelling), and Albion Online and have thousands of hours in them.

I'm not advocating for a theme park mmo, I'm comfortable in the sandbox element. I do like Albion Online and New World's balance of solo play and group play a ton though. I appreciate being able to play solo when I feel like it and group when I feel like it. I don't know why for game design it needs to be one or the other. It is unrealistic, and alienates players. Also, I think it is more fun to join a group to do an objective for PVP or PVE content when I've been doing my own thing for a bit.

Not to get political, but I think it comes down to personality types. I'm not a socialist type of person. I like to adventure at my pace, doing my combat style, pulling mobs as I please and blasting through things at the skill level I have and get punished when I fail. Group play being forced pre-level 10 in all practicality, makes it so that I'm not playing my character I'm a boring cog in a group machine. Standing idle for long periods like a dps turret behind a tank not moving and randomly hitting buttons every so often. It is a much more boring and casual play style for me. I don't always find it interesting.

I still sit in discord comms and chat a bit, but I prefer exploring solo and grouping when I feel like it, rather than being forced into grouping to progress so early on. I think a better design is that all playstyles have good progression paths to hit max level, but that group content awards the most desirable drops that motivates players to group to clear that content.

I don't want to group to clear trash mobs to advance and avoid having to sit on my butt for hours waiting for hp/mana to regen. I did switch to Bard yesterday, made it to level 8 playing solo last night. The only thing that kills you is the wonky A1 mob aggro, leashing, elites. If you don't pull a wave on you it is quite easy to sustain solo levelling. As a Ranger also at level 8 I had to quit, mainly because the rest mechanic and food were bugged and not working, as a solo player. I prefer playing the Ranger, but it doesn't have sustain so wasn't viable to level with solo with the way mobs were warping onto you and the bugged rest mechanic.

If I had to provide a model, Albion Online is almost perfect. I know Steven draws from D&D which I'm oblivious to, but from a group and solo dynamics perspective Albion Online is the ideal experience imo. A terrific mix of everything. It has every type of open-world, instanced, solo and/or group content you could want for every player type. And most importantly most of us don't fit just into one box. We like to dabble in different content types. And providing and designing viable and fun options for those different player interests is what maintains a high player population for the game's growth.

Sitting in a mob of people grinding mobs casually with no effort is the wow mmo game design that imo should be avoided as a core pillar for levelling. It should be a come together moment, not we run everywhere together like a bot program where one person controls the full party (multi-boxing? I forget the term for it). Hey guys, I want to check out x,y,z POI anyone want to come join me? Me, me, me, etc. in discord. Sweet. Hey guys, I'm level 4 how to I level as x, y, or z class without getting xp debt as a solo dps/tank? You don't, you have to go find other players that are your level range and run around as a drone pack for hours tethered to one another and never have individual thought. Why is that interesting?

The fun aspect of adventuring for a lot of us is our character is the main character that we adventure with in our story, that will group up when there is need. It isn't as fun to have to be fully dependent on others every step of the way. It's the antithesis of growing up as a child. You're dependent on your parent, then you leave the nest. Why is it fun in gaming to never leave the nest? Its weird, its backwards. And not only are full nesters prioritized, individuality is punished in the game. I get if the game wants to incentivize group play, I'm all for that, but solo play still needs to be viable to level and progress even if not 1-1 speed. As long as it is 75% speed and receives drops but not of the same rarity or named drops or something, that would be fine. To have it not be viable at all though for non-healing classes? It's a non-starter for live launch. They'll have to fix that element of game design at some point. The average player who tries the game down the road isn't as socially inclined to join discord etc. as the backers of the game that have bought in this early to support development.

Kalnazzar

Lark Wyll wrote: »

Bleud wrote: »

My opinion, is that the slow regen is a good thing ultimately, they could raise it a little bit but i think it really forces players to prepare and coordinate more. If you want to solo content and not think just play retail WoW. Being able to sit and recover mana is not the final answer it's just the start. It's an mmo so get a bard or cleric to run content or prepare food/potions.
Also i noticed some weapon skills increase mana gen when im fighting like my bow skill tree gives me mana when i use a finisher.

I've never really been a WoW player fyi or ESO or FF14. I've never hit max level in any of those games as I was bored to death. I do play sandbox mmo's a ton like New World since launch (not as sandy anymore for levelling), and Albion Online and have thousands of hours in them.

I'm not advocating for a theme park mmo, I'm comfortable in the sandbox element. I do like Albion Online and New World's balance of solo play and group play a ton though. I appreciate being able to play solo when I feel like it and group when I feel like it. I don't know why for game design it needs to be one or the other. It is unrealistic, and alienates players. Also, I think it is more fun to join a group to do an objective for PVP or PVE content when I've been doing my own thing for a bit.

Not to get political, but I think it comes down to personality types. I'm not a socialist type of person. I like to adventure at my pace, doing my combat style, pulling mobs as I please and blasting through things at the skill level I have and get punished when I fail. Group play being forced pre-level 10 in all practicality, makes it so that I'm not playing my character I'm a boring cog in a group machine. Standing idle for long periods like a dps turret behind a tank not moving and randomly hitting buttons every so often. It is a much more boring and casual play style for me. I don't always find it interesting.

I still sit in discord comms and chat a bit, but I prefer exploring solo and grouping when I feel like it, rather than being forced into grouping to progress so early on. I think a better design is that all playstyles have good progression paths to hit max level, but that group content awards the most desirable drops that motivates players to group to clear that content.

I don't want to group to clear trash mobs to advance and avoid having to sit on my butt for hours waiting for hp/mana to regen. I did switch to Bard yesterday, made it to level 8 playing solo last night. The only thing that kills you is the wonky A1 mob aggro, leashing, elites. If you don't pull a wave on you it is quite easy to sustain solo levelling. As a Ranger also at level 8 I had to quit, mainly because the rest mechanic and food were bugged and not working, as a solo player. I prefer playing the Ranger, but it doesn't have sustain so wasn't viable to level with solo with the way mobs were warping onto you and the bugged rest mechanic.

If I had to provide a model, Albion Online is almost perfect. I know Steven draws from D&D which I'm oblivious to, but from a group and solo dynamics perspective Albion Online is the ideal experience imo. A terrific mix of everything. It has every type of open-world, instanced, solo and/or group content you could want for every player type. And most importantly most of us don't fit just into one box. We like to dabble in different content types. And providing and designing viable and fun options for those different player interests is what maintains a high player population for the game's growth.

Sitting in a mob of people grinding mobs casually with no effort is the wow mmo game design that imo should be avoided as a core pillar for levelling. It should be a come together moment, not we run everywhere together like a bot program where one person controls the full party (multi-boxing? I forget the term for it). Hey guys, I want to check out x,y,z POI anyone want to come join me? Me, me, me, etc. in discord. Sweet. Hey guys, I'm level 4 how to I level as x, y, or z class without getting xp debt as a solo dps/tank? You don't, you have to go find other players that are your level range and run around as a drone pack for hours tethered to one another and never have individual thought. Why is that interesting?

The fun aspect of adventuring for a lot of us is our character is the main character that we adventure with in our story, that will group up when there is need. It isn't as fun to have to be fully dependent on others every step of the way. It's the antithesis of growing up as a child. You're dependent on your parent, then you leave the nest. Why is it fun in gaming to never leave the nest? Its weird, its backwards. And not only are full nesters prioritized, individuality is punished in the game. I get if the game wants to incentivize group play, I'm all for that, but solo play still needs to be viable to level and progress even if not 1-1 speed. As long as it is 75% speed and receives drops but not of the same rarity or named drops or something, that would be fine. To have it not be viable at all though for non-healing classes? It's a non-starter for live launch. They'll have to fix that element of game design at some point. The average player who tries the game down the road isn't as socially inclined to join discord etc. as the backers of the game that have bought in this early to support development.

This is your opinion but I love how the game is centered for group content, solo play is available just have to get really good with your class and maximize items, food and rest. Steven said AoC is a group oriented game and his MMO isn’t for everyone. If you’re not enjoying the experience like a lot of us are like you said there is New World and Albion Online for a more solo casual experience.

katarinae

I just want to say..... if you can't get passed level 2 without a group there's something very wrong.... and it's not the game.

ShivaFang

"Like a normal game"
... yeah the kinds of normal boring mmos that are a dime a dozen.

Darsh13

katarinae wrote: »

I just want to say..... if you can't get passed level 2 without a group there's something very wrong.... and it's not the game.

I got to level 9 completely solo.. And I still solo at lvl 10. Sure.. its faster to group up and find a good grind spot but you can still solo if you prefer.

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